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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE3-f5Dpi0c&feature=share    AT 38 MINUTES AND 6 SECONDS YOU CAN SEE THE ISSUE FROM ERCAVICA

Some of the later Caligula Spanish issues are remarkably similiar Julio Claudian personages from Caesaraugusta, but lets focus on the 3 sisters issue.  It was found in 1992 in Ercavica modern day Cuenca in excavations.  RPC SUPPLEMENT I 467a.    See Page 178-   Coinage and identity in the Roman Provinces
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Very interesting.





   An analogous tendency can be observed in the designs used on the coinage. These not infrequently copy Roman coins, and some of the latest issues under Caligula are quite astonishingly similar. For example at Rome one finds coins made with the portraits of the emperor, of Divus Augustus, of the emperor's father and mother, Germanicus and Agrippina the Elder, and for his grandfather Agrippa. Coins were minted at Zaragoza (ancient Caesaraugusta) for all the same five imperial personages; not only that, but most of the coins are close copies of the Roman issues. A second example of the same phenomenon comes from a fairly recent discovery, a coin minted at Ercavica (modern Cuenca), and found in excavations at the city in 1992. It is an extraordinarily close copy of the similar coin minted at Rome depicting Caligula and his three sisters.
 
So the western coinage shows a tendency to look like Roman coinage, and communities preferred to use coinage that looked like Roman coinage. It was not a big step for the western cities and communities to stop making their own and just to use Roman coinage, which was already circulating in the area. In fact they used both centrally produced coinage ‘of Roman style, minted in Lugdunum = Lyon, and locally made imitation coins which, significantly, also copied centrally produced coins rather than the earlier local mintages.     http://www.investmentsoffice.com/io/Investment_Thoughts/Markets_in_History/The_Roman_Denarius_and_Euro_A_Precedent_for_Monetary_Union.php
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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #1 on: May 23, 2013, 06:04:07 pm »
Very nice coin the one in the botton!! +++


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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #2 on: May 26, 2013, 11:48:40 am »
It's worth following the link to the video--the coin is very cool!

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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #3 on: August 04, 2013, 11:54:59 am »
Great video! Very interesting: you know the nominal of Caligula's coin from Ercavica? Sestertius, dupondius, as etc. or just AE ...?
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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #4 on: August 05, 2013, 02:42:31 pm »
Any idea?

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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2013, 04:43:21 am »
Where can I find more information about the above coin of Caligula?

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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2013, 07:17:51 pm »
look under search under disccusions page
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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #7 on: August 09, 2013, 11:18:40 am »
Thanks for the information, Joe. More specifically I wanted to know what this was, for me, the new Caligula's coin with the three sisters to reverse: an as, a sestertius, a dupondius ...? Do you know anything more? I tried to look for search, but without great results.  :(

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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2013, 10:50:25 pm »
sorry Marco, what exactly are you looking for, we have many threads on this subject?
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« Reply #9 on: September 28, 2013, 11:37:11 am »
Sorry, Joe, I have some difficulty in expressing myself in English: exactly I was interested to know how you can classify this coin according to nominal, that is, how can we call this provincial coin of Caligula?
Nominal = Sestertius, as, dupondius...etc....
My question: what nominal is attributed to this Caligula's coin from Ercavica?
Many thanks for your replies. :)

PS: I left you my e-mail adress in Personal Message for the article on Drusilla Panthea, to my great interest! ;D

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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #10 on: September 28, 2013, 11:50:46 am »
Here are the coins for you to see at a glance.


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« Reply #11 on: September 28, 2013, 11:54:41 am »
Yes, Alex, thanks for the image comparison. In fact, even from that, I think the coin of Ercavica approaching as a Nominal is a  Sestertius (?)  ???

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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #12 on: September 28, 2013, 12:15:51 pm »

This coin is published in RPC I supplement I S-467A.

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« Reply #13 on: September 28, 2013, 12:33:21 pm »
Thank you, Pekka, for the indication. At the moment, I can not see neither the RPC or the Supplement. If you have news, you can tell me what it is Nominal? Is the case for a large module (sestertius?).
Thank you so much for the reply.

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« Reply #14 on: September 28, 2013, 12:39:44 pm »

Brass. 28.83 g (average of 2 coins). Sestertius size.

1. Soria, Museo Numantino. 31.04g,
2. Madrid. 26.63 g.

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« Reply #15 on: September 28, 2013, 12:53:49 pm »
Thanks a lot, Pekka, were just the information I was looking for: the References and the indication of Nominal. Ultimately, therefore, my idea that this coin was similar to this data to a sestertius seems well founded. Great.  +++

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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #16 on: September 29, 2013, 05:11:12 am »
Pekka,

Thanks for reference, to both of you, great thread lets keep it going,  Anyone on the Other type of Gold quinarius mentioned in another thread

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« Reply #17 on: September 29, 2013, 08:20:32 am »
Hi Joe.
As for the gold quinarius of Caligula I have nothing material to show if not that taken from the Corpus Nummorum Romanorum that I've already given and of which you were already aware of. Additional information may have consulting the book of the Mazzini Collection of Milan, or the Magnaguti Collection. Unfortunately, they are both quite rare publications that are not easily found and are not easily accessible. We should find some institution or some private entity that can open its library to the consultation of these rare books. If we have more information about this quinarius, I will follow this case nearly, giving my contribution as possible, because the coinage of Caligula also very interested me.

PS: Did you get my private message about the article on Diva Drusilla Panthea? :)

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Re: 1992 Discovery of Caligula and 3 Sisters from Ercavica From Video
« Reply #18 on: September 29, 2013, 06:52:42 pm »
No, did you want a copY?  Be glad to send, email me you email-  geranioj@aol.com

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« Reply #19 on: September 30, 2013, 03:47:39 am »
Hi Joe.
For the article, I just left you an e-mail. I await further news.  :laugh:
For the quinarius of Caligula, also I'd like to know more: I'll see if I will have the opportunity to consult the volume of Mazzini Collection. We hope to find it, because of its rarity.
Thank you, always very kind.  :)

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« Reply #20 on: October 02, 2013, 03:15:58 pm »

I will not rest until I get more info on CCAESAR AV QUIN
 

Hi Joe.
For the quinarius of Caligula, I have good news: I got in contact with a knowledge of Milan and, perhaps, I managed to track down a picture of that coming from the quinarius already named Mazzini Collection. Well hopefully that realizes something.
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« Reply #21 on: October 02, 2013, 04:50:40 pm »
great let me know.
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« Reply #22 on: October 09, 2013, 04:49:55 pm »
I wonder where the die-cutter came for this issue from Ercavica ?  Was a die sent, or was it really provincial?  It seems inferior to RIC struck sestertius.
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« Reply #23 on: October 13, 2013, 06:24:16 am »
great let me know.

Hi Joe.
He as describes the Mazzini of Milan the quinarius of Caligula with PP in crown at reverse, who was in his collection, and always from this text, also carry the image. We need a translation from Italian to English for the description or that's okay, in Italian?

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« Reply #24 on: October 14, 2013, 12:51:56 pm »
Thanks Marco!!
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