"The sellers on this list knowingly and intentionally sell
fakes."
Lanz is neither knowingly
nor intentionally
selling fakes, because if
Lanz is notified he generally always is withdrawing
fakes and "knowingly" would mean that this person gets bulletproof or
good and convincing evidences that the coin must be fake.
If you write, "This coin is fake", "this coin is a published fake or die match to published fake" or "Expert or authentication service thinks it is fake" , without mentioning why they are supposed to be
fakes you can be sure many dealers and
auction houses will not withdraw them and ignore your message!
I have warned a huge US
auction house too (it has an authentication service ^^), that their
Syracuse drachm is a transfer die fake, I have the dies with a die break only present in my transfer die, this die break is not in ancient dies.
So I could connect my transfer die with the fake 100%.
They refused to withdraw the fake and sold it !!!
They said that they have the coin in hand and
patina is old and I do not have the coin in hand so I can not know and who I am to tell them such things (so very polemic and aggresive message).
You can be sure that I will not buy form them again and that their catalogues the new ones will find their way directly to waste bin (the old ones are already in waste bin)
I wrote them that they are rumors that this forgers would use ancnient coins as planchets or they managed to make artificial patinas very close to authentic patinas.
They did not care!
But they did withdrawn the very obvoious Aitna
cast fake, of which I wrote them in another email and which should not fool amateurs but which fooled them even when they
had it in hand.
And they
had to withdraw a very obvious pressed Demetrios
Tetradrachm from Beirut school.
I have notified them in past, too about
fakes and published
fakes t and some they have wthdrawn and some not.
So may I nominate them, they sold knowingly
fakes?
Lanz would have withdrawn such
fakes, if being notified and if you have
good evidence for them being fake.
Lanz had 2
Lipanoff fakes recently in its
ebay auction, it seems like someone has warned him about the
CLODIUS ALBINUS and so this fake has been withdrawn but no one seems to recognize the other
Lipanoff Albinus withdrawn
https://www.ebay.de/itm/303979889080?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=707-53477-19255-0&campid=5338722076&toolid=10001https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-5245It seems like no one told him about
Octavian (
Aplustre of the
Lipanoff fake is very wrong and strange
engraved)
https://www.ebay.de/itm/373551365130?mkevt=1&mkcid=1&mkrid=707-53477-19255-0&campid=5338722076&toolid=10001https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-5192https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-10560Back to the
legionary Denarii, I worte already why I suspect them to be fake but this are only arguments and they are not bulletproof so I understand when someone
still has a
good feeling, they have fooled other dealers and auciton houses, too.
Dominic T are you now a leginoary
denarii expert?
Do you know how many
fakes are in
Lanz auctions and how high this % is compared to other dealers and
auction houses?
So if
his amount of
fakes is maybe a little
bit worse than
average, there are
auction houses with higher % of
fakes and he is only withdrawing
fakes if he thinks that they are
fakes like other aution houses and dealers,too.
I think it would be only
fair if we would then nominate
auction houses who have same % or higher than
Lanz and who are refusing to withdraw
fakes , too (they of course think like
Lanz that some
fakes would be authentic).
Dominic T do you have experience concering the notificiation of
auction houses and dealers about
fakes and if yes how much and based on this experience have you never
had the case that some were ignoring warnings and refused to withdraw fake even if you
had much better evidence than we have in case of
legionary?
We are all humans some have problems with
legionary denarii others
had for example recently problems ( 16-17.January 2021) with a
Philip II,
Le Rider 114
cast tetradrachm etc.
"
Julius Caesar brockage rejected by
NGC as a
counterfeit"
I think that most
ebay listings are done by
his employees (I do not even know if he is
still alive,
his ancient art
collection was sold recently on
ebay at
his store, so I am worried because he is old and we have Corona at the moment).
And
fakes can slip through, we are all humans.
I assume he would have withdrawn the imho fake if he would have been notified about it and if you have evidence that the coin is fake.
And that the coin has been condemned by
NGC is not helping except you know why they have condemend the coin and this arguments are conclusive/persuading.
I understand that some in USA think
NGC is the best if it
comes to authentication, I respect that Americans think so.
In Europe (collectors, many dealers and auciton houses) are more interested in arguments than in opinions no matter from whom they come.
This coin looks fake (hand cut dies), but to be honest I have never seen a fake from this dies before but he
had other very suspicious coins with same
style Otho,
Caesar,
Caesar,
Clara,
Titus etc in
his ebay autions before (and I think a reputlable
auction house has sold one of the Othos same dies too). But they all seem to be so far unpublished and the
style is not always so bad if you compare to authentic specimens. And I think we
had a
thread about them in the past already here in
forum.
https://www.ebay.de/itm/LANZ-ROME-AR-BROCKAGE-DENARIUS-C-IULIUS-CAESAR-INCUSE-CORONA-AUREA-RARE-TEZ596-/233979307844?_trksid=p2349624.m46890.l49286