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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #250 on: August 26, 2014, 11:47:33 am »
Hi Mauseus

 It is a nice series of legend error coins..

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #251 on: September 13, 2014, 10:30:10 pm »
What do you think ?
Is this an error coin , or just the Y in EΣTFEΔIIYΣ turned into I , because of circulating ?

Your thoughts are appreciated.
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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #252 on: September 14, 2014, 05:14:48 am »
It looks I for me.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #253 on: September 19, 2014, 09:26:43 pm »
Thank you Tibsi , so there is a possibility for this coin to be  a mint error .
I do not even think the last  Î£ in  EΣTFEΔIIYΣ is on the die too .
I doubt the the little remaining  line after the last I is what left of the Σ because of the circulating.


Or
That little remaining line is just part of Y looks like this  because of the circulating , the Σ  just gone because of the same reason, and the coin is just a regular stater. No errors.



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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #254 on: September 23, 2014, 09:48:08 am »
Hi,
The reverse legend for this issue normally is MAC AVG .  Except for specimens from this particular die : the engraver put the full name, thereby making an additional  mistake.  MACELLVS AVGVSTI instead of MACELLVM AVGVSTI
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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #255 on: September 23, 2014, 11:57:21 am »
An interesting coin, that until now I hadn't known existed!

BMC p. 236, note *, reports such a dupondius as being in Naples, but casts doubt on the correctness of the reading MACELLVS.

In MacDowall's Nero and Sutherland's RIC I, I find no mention of the legend MACELLVS AVGVST. However, MacDowall 189, taken over by RIC 189 (coincidentally the same catalogue number in both works), reports a dupondius with the same obv. legend and bust type and with the Macellum rev. type, but supposedly legend MAC AVG, as being in that same collection, Naples, and nowhere else. I think it very likely that this is the same MACELLVS AVGVST coin described in BMC, but with the extraordinary rev. legend unfortunately not recorded.

Now, the Naples collection was stolen in 1977. Some of the coins were recovered, but if their MACELLVS AVGVST dupondius wasn't among them, I think it very likely that you now own the Naples coin! Your ownership should be secure, however, since there is no way to prove this hypothesis; the museum didn't possess photographs of its coin collection. Could you tell us where and when you acquired the coin, and incidentally its weight and die axis?

As to the legend, I wonder whether MACELLVS might not be a correct alternative masculine form for the neuter MACELLVM, which is perhaps attested only on this dupondius. One wouldn't expect a spelling error on a Roman coin of this era. For a Roman to get the gender of a word wrong would be like an English speaker referring to a woman as "him" or "it"! This was apparently the first labeled Macellum reverse die. The type had indeed appeared in the preceding issue without S C or mark of value, but there it was unlabeled, so the type was entirely anepigraphic. Your coin has S C and mark of value II, and the earliest form of obv. legend in this issue, with CLAVDIVS and GERM. So MACELLVS AVGVST was apparently the mint of Rome's first attempt to label this type, and the legend was then abbreviated to just MAC AVG on all later reverse dies.
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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #256 on: September 23, 2014, 12:21:16 pm »
... Now, the Naples collection was stolen 1n 1977. Some of the coins were recovered, but if their MACELLVS AVGVST dupondius wasn't among them, I think it very likely that you now own the Naples coin! Your ownership should be secure, however, since there is no way to prove this hypothesis; the museum didn't possess photographs of its coin collection. Could you tell us where and when you acquired the coin, and incidentally its weight and die axis?
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Dear Curtis,

Thank you for your very interesting comments.

I posted this coin in my gallery a few years ago : https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-83869 .

Coin details: 13.4 g; 28mm; 6h.  I aqcuired it from a well known Dutch dealer in 1995.   But it is not the only known specimen.  I attach a photo of a specimen from the same dies but in much better condition auctioned by Numismatica Ars Classica, 2 April 2008, Auction 45, Lot number: 91.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #257 on: September 23, 2014, 01:46:53 pm »
Charles,

Thanks for the information concerning your coin, and the reference to the other specimen, which as NAC 45 states had earlier been in their Sale 15, 1999, lot 309. They considered their coin unique, not having noticed the BMC note, and they had nothing to say about the unusual gender of the word MACELLVS.

I still think it likely that you now own the Naples coin. Note how AVGVSTI is mostly off flan on the reverse, explaining why it was misread AVGVST in the BMC note, presumably deriving from the Fiorelli catalogue of the Naples collection. The NAC coin clearly shows the correct reading, AVGVSTI !
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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #258 on: October 12, 2014, 05:17:02 pm »

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #259 on: October 22, 2014, 04:26:39 pm »

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #260 on: November 01, 2014, 06:55:37 pm »

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #261 on: November 23, 2014, 11:16:17 am »
Full reverse legend error! Maybe it is an ancient imitation. 1st example.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #262 on: November 23, 2014, 03:47:50 pm »
Of course, this form of error - a completely wrong rev. legend, Virtuti Augusti instead of Iovi Statori - makes this a very cool coin indeed. This need not necessarily be an imitation. What's the weight of this coin?
I have one such coin, an antoninian of Salonina from Antioch; the legend "Laetitia Aug" accompanies the normal type of Aequitas with scales and cornucopiae.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #263 on: November 23, 2014, 03:59:32 pm »
Hi Rupert,

What a great coin!

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #264 on: November 23, 2014, 04:19:37 pm »
The Gordian's weight is 3.35g and the diameter is 22mm.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #265 on: November 23, 2014, 04:31:03 pm »
Hi all
 I have a Clodius Albinus the avers side the "C" are missed from the CAES:


Clodius Albinus (193-196 A.D. Caesar, 195-196 A.D. Augustus ), RIC IV-I 001a, Rome, AR-Denarius, PROVID AVG COS, Providentia standing left, Rare!,
avers:- D-CLODIVS-AL-BINVS-(C)AES, Bare head right.
revers:- PROVID-AVG-COS, Providentia standing left, holding wand over globe and scepter.
diameter: 17-18mm, weight: 2,79g, axis: 11 h ,
mint: Rome, date: 193 A.D., ref: RIC-IV-I-1a, p-44, C-58, S,

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #266 on: November 23, 2014, 04:42:06 pm »
Great piece!

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #267 on: November 23, 2014, 04:43:06 pm »
All the Best :), Joe
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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #268 on: December 02, 2014, 04:57:47 am »
Herennia Etruscilla viminacium bronze
Obv: HER ETRVSCLLLA AV instead of HER ETRVSCILLA AVG

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #269 on: December 02, 2014, 03:59:16 pm »
Nice example .. +++

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #270 on: December 04, 2014, 06:51:30 am »
Here is my Probus

Original:PIETAS AVG
ERROR:PIAETAS AVG

I believe that the rarity is almost same between these 2 of them

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #271 on: December 04, 2014, 10:01:45 am »
Apparently not an error but a spelling variety, similar to the CONSACRATIO-coins from Cologne (usually CONSECRATIO), or the NVMAERIANVS-Antoniniani.

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #272 on: December 04, 2014, 11:46:36 am »
Amazing!

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #273 on: December 15, 2014, 12:06:50 pm »
Gordianus III.
ORIENS AVS (instead of AVG)
2nd known piece

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Re: Let's collect the coins with legend errors here!
« Reply #274 on: December 15, 2014, 01:18:08 pm »
Nice pice ..:)

 Congrats

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