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Dionysos with "drinking horn"?
« on: February 07, 2022, 08:37:20 am »
Dear friends of ancient coins!

For Septimius Severus we know of small coin from Nikopolis with Dionysus, which is out of the ordinary. Instead of a usual kantharos, from which Dionysus pours, here he holds an elongated object, which was previously interpreted as a drinking horn with the opening facing downwards.

Coin:
Moesia inferior, Nicopolis ad Istrum, Septimius Severus, 193-211.
AE 17, 2.24g, 17.38mm, 180°.
obv. AV - C - CEVHROC
laureate head r.
rev. NIKOP - OLI PROC
Dionysos, nude, stg. l., holding drinking horn in r. hand and resting with l. hand on ribboned thyrsos.
ref. a) not in AMNG:
b) not in Varbanov
c) Hristova-Hoeft-Jekov (2021) No. 8.14.8.24 (this coin)

Usually Dionysus is depicted with a kantharos with which he offers a libation. The depiction on this coin is very unusual indeed.
When this coin first appeared we were already discussing what it might be. Pat Lawrence wrote:

The head of Septimius looks like the work of that survivor of the worst dies of Commodus who made the anonymous Septimius in the time of the Auspex (and possibly later- although we have no signed dies as evidence. But a change of governor does not necessarily mean getting rid of a reliable engraver who can make usable stamps).  We know from his Apollo Sauroktonos that he sometimes put shapes in his hands that could be ivy or snake or whatever.

In other words, Pat Lawrence is thinking of negligence on the part of the die cutter who chose a random object.
It can't be a rhyton because that always has an animal head on the front.
A drinking horn is very unusual. It does not belong to the typical Roman drinking vessels and numismatically it is without precedent.  I have not found any example of it. Therefore, this description was always a bit questionable.

Now I have discovered on an Attic vase painting that Dionysus holds a cornucopiae. It's a Neck amphora, Attic black figure: Dionysus, Satyr, Maenads. Around 500 B.C. Found in Veji (Veio near Isola Farnese/Rome), Archaeological Collections of the Friedrich Schiller University Jena.

The shape of this cornucopia is also striking, with curves similar to those of our object.  We have now found a historical model for the cornucopia and it makes particular sense when it is turned upside down, as it is here, and Dionysus distributes his gifts with it.

Perhaps we should consider changing the description of the coin.

I hope to hear your opinions.
Jochen

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Re: Dionysos with "drinking horn"?
« Reply #1 on: February 07, 2022, 12:08:16 pm »
Interesting find  :).

Do you have some more references for the vase? Is there some description or article about it?

But there seem to be some coins where Dionysos holds a drinking horn or a cornucopia. This is mentioned in M. Bernhart, "Dionysos und seine Familie auf griechischen Münzen" JNG I, 1949, on page 26:
https://www.bngev.de/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/1949-Band-I.pdf#page=28&zoom=auto,-272,670

Some of these coins could be these:
https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/6/7478   (said to hold a rhyton, but does look more like a cornucopia and is held upside down)
https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/type/19577
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7586560

Perhaps that helps.

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Re: Dionysos with "drinking horn"?
« Reply #2 on: February 07, 2022, 12:20:59 pm »
Great work, Jochen and Altamura!!!
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Re: Dionysos with "drinking horn"?
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2022, 12:22:41 pm »
... Now I have discovered on an Attic vase painting that Dionysus holds a cornucopiae. It's a Neck amphora, Attic black figure: Dionysus, Satyr, Maenads. Around 500 B.C. Found in Veji (Veio near Isola Farnese/Rome), Archaeological Collections of the Friedrich Schiller University Jena. ...

I just have found the description of this vase in the Jena collection (I hope the link is a permanent one):
https://sammlungen.uni-jena.de/sammlungsobjekte/br/1/nc/1.html?tx_jomuseo_pi1009%5BjoDetailView%5D=DE-MUS-045221%2Flido%2Fdc00000352

Interestingly they describe the object as a drinking horn ("Trinkhorn") :-\.

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Re: Dionysos with "drinking horn"?
« Reply #4 on: February 07, 2022, 01:27:59 pm »
Dear Altamura!

Many thanks for these invaluable links. The last one to the University of Jena is unfortunately no longer valid.

I got my picture from https://thue.museum-digital.de/object/1362?navlang=de where the object is called a cornucopia.

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Re: Dionysos with "drinking horn"?
« Reply #5 on: February 07, 2022, 01:41:11 pm »
... The last one to the University of Jena is unfortunately no longer valid. ...
Again Forvm software killed a link  :(.  It works if you copy the whole URL and paste it manually in the URL field of your browser. (Or change into the reply mode, then the link is shown correctly, no idea why ???.)

... I got my picture from https://thue.museum-digital.de/object/1362?navlang=de where the object is called a cornucopia. ...
That's funny :). But there is a reference to a book, unfortunately not online:
https://www.academia.edu/1209809/Herakles_and_Co_G%C3%B6tter_und_Helden_im_antiken_Griechenland_Antike_Kunst_aus_den_Sammlungen_der_Justus_Liebig_Universit%C3%A4t_Gie%C3%9Fen_und_der_Friedrich_Schiller_Universit%C3%A4t_Jena
perhaps there could be found more.

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Re: Dionysos with "drinking horn"?
« Reply #6 on: February 08, 2022, 06:00:21 pm »
Very interesting.

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