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Offline Diederik

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out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« on: September 15, 2015, 03:35:28 am »
It is not my primary field of collecting, nor expertise, but I could not resist this special Commodus sestertius (21 gram):
M COMMODVS ANT P FELIX AVG BRIT , laureate head right/
VICT FELI PM TR P XIIII IMP VIIICOS V PP – S – C Victory , winged, draped, turreted, flying left, holding garland in both hands, two shiels inscribed S and C on base inscribed COS V PP.

RIC 530, Cohen 948, BMC 633 possibly the same reverse die as on plate 108 nr 8.


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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #1 on: September 16, 2015, 04:42:51 pm »
 +++ great coin

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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #2 on: September 16, 2015, 04:51:56 pm »
I agree, same rev. die as BMC pl. 108.8.

An interesting type, presumably commemorating the Senate's award to the emperor of two honorary shields mounted on a base, as shown. COS V P P was written on the base in the coin type because the actual monument had its dedcatory inscription in the same position.

I wonder what the thin rod-like element between the two shields is? Part of the structure to support the shields? I had never noticed that before.
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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2015, 06:08:30 pm »
Could it be a priestly apex?

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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2015, 06:27:13 pm »
Seems too thin and elongated for an apex, which also wouldn't fit with the victory theme of the shields.

Thanks for the suggestion, nonetheless!
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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #5 on: September 27, 2015, 07:01:06 pm »
It is not my primary field of collecting, nor expertise, but I could not resist this special Commodus sestertius (21 gram):
M COMMODVS ANT P FELIX AVG BRIT , laureate head right/
VICT FELI PM TR P XIIII IMP VIIICOS V PP – S – C Victory , winged, draped, turreted, flying left, holding garland in both hands, two shiels inscribed S and C on base inscribed COS V PP.

RIC 530, Cohen 948, BMC 633 possibly the same reverse die as on plate 108 nr 8.


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Any way nice piece..

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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2015, 02:12:51 pm »
I have the coin at home now and the object in between the shields seems really articulated in its design; no clue as yet, but when I am home from my present journey in France, I promise new pictures. Thanks for your kind and helpful input.

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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2015, 03:04:20 pm »
Very nice piece with an interesting reverse.

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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2015, 03:40:09 pm »
I enjoyed just looking at the photo. Nice coin.
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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #9 on: October 04, 2015, 12:02:49 am »
Very nice and special
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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #10 on: October 09, 2015, 04:37:03 pm »
Victory looks like she's playing the drums.
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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #11 on: October 14, 2015, 04:22:53 pm »
Just recently, I got the as of this type (RIC 540) which seems to be significantly rarer than the sestertius; RIC quotes none of the big collections but the Vierordt sale of 1923. Sorry, the condition is mediocre and the patina quite mottled, so I didn't manage to take really good pictures. Technical data: 9.06 g, 24 mm, die axis 12 o'clock.

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Re: out of the ordinary Commodus sestertius
« Reply #12 on: October 14, 2015, 05:53:38 pm »
I'm sure the As is rarer than the sestertius, but its apparent rarity is probably partly due just to lack of interest: few collectors have gone after the middle bronzes!

Yours is from different dies than Vierordt 1758 that RIC and BMC cite. There was a further specimen in the Lanz Graz middle bronze sale of 1974, lot 476; from a third obv. die, rev. die perhaps the same as your coin.

In my current collection I have the following asses from the same TR P XIIII issue:

FORT FELI

IOVI IVVENI, 2 spec., from different dies

MART PACAT, previously unpublished on middle bronzes

PIET SENAT.

Conditionwise, most of mine are rather mediocre also!

I may have had a VICT FELI in my first collection, if so it would now have been in the Ashmolean Museum since c. 1990. I can't recall for sure.
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