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« Last post by Callimachus on Yesterday at 11:10:28 pm »An interesting coin. Several comments in no particular order, that perhaps do not solve anything, or answer your question:
1. Bland's thesis is only about coins from Antioch. Volume 1 is 384 pages, and volume 2 is 272 pages.
The comments you mention that CNG said Bland called a coin a hybrid is probably there someplace, but I can't find it.
Feel free to download Bland's thesis yourself:
https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10116536/1/Bland_thesis.pdf
2. Distinguishing Gordian's antoninianii minted in Antioch from those minted in Rome is sometimes difficult, and even experts do not always agree. I find that coins from Rome portray Gordian with softer, more rounded features. The obverse lettering is usually small, neat, and leans slightly to the right. Coins from Antioch usually portray Gordian with more angular features, especially his chin, jaw line, and cheekbones. The obverse lettering is large, upright, and crowded, seeming to encroach into the portrait space. See picture below - with mint of Rome at left, and mint of Antioch at right.
3. Your coin is interesting in that it seems to show Gordian with the softer features of Rome, but the larger crowded lettering of Rome. So at this point, I do not know if it was minted in Rome or Antioch. If I had to guess, I would say Rome because of the short obverse legend which was apparently not used in Antioch.
4. The screenshot of the Triton V lot 2069 indicates that coin is from Antioch, and is not listed in RIC or RSC. No mention of Bland's thesis here. See screenshot posted below. Just looking at the small picture I would confirm the mint as being Antioch.
5. The person you got your coin from evidently assigned an RIC number (RIC #18) to your coin. This is in error because RIC 18 has the long obverse legend IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG. The legend on your coin IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG does not show up until the Third Issue (RIC #63 ff.).
6. Also attached are several screenshots from Bland's thesis. The plates showing pictures of the coins are on plates 13-15 of volume 2, and are quite poor. I can see, though, that they all seem to have the long obverse legend IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG.
The attachments are:
1. Picture showing an obverse from Rome (left) and Antioch (right) to see the differences.
2. Screenshot of Triton V, lot 2069.
3. Screenshot of a short comment from Bland, page 54, vol. 1.
4. Screenshot of a longer comment from Bland, page 66, vol. 1.
5. Screenshot of Bland's listings for the PM TRP II COS PP listings, page 56, vol. 1.
6. Screenshot of part of plate 13, vol. 2, showing quality of the illustrations.
I hope someone else can give you better information than I have.
1. Bland's thesis is only about coins from Antioch. Volume 1 is 384 pages, and volume 2 is 272 pages.
The comments you mention that CNG said Bland called a coin a hybrid is probably there someplace, but I can't find it.
Feel free to download Bland's thesis yourself:
https://discovery.ucl.ac.uk/id/eprint/10116536/1/Bland_thesis.pdf
2. Distinguishing Gordian's antoninianii minted in Antioch from those minted in Rome is sometimes difficult, and even experts do not always agree. I find that coins from Rome portray Gordian with softer, more rounded features. The obverse lettering is usually small, neat, and leans slightly to the right. Coins from Antioch usually portray Gordian with more angular features, especially his chin, jaw line, and cheekbones. The obverse lettering is large, upright, and crowded, seeming to encroach into the portrait space. See picture below - with mint of Rome at left, and mint of Antioch at right.
3. Your coin is interesting in that it seems to show Gordian with the softer features of Rome, but the larger crowded lettering of Rome. So at this point, I do not know if it was minted in Rome or Antioch. If I had to guess, I would say Rome because of the short obverse legend which was apparently not used in Antioch.
4. The screenshot of the Triton V lot 2069 indicates that coin is from Antioch, and is not listed in RIC or RSC. No mention of Bland's thesis here. See screenshot posted below. Just looking at the small picture I would confirm the mint as being Antioch.
5. The person you got your coin from evidently assigned an RIC number (RIC #18) to your coin. This is in error because RIC 18 has the long obverse legend IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG. The legend on your coin IMP GORDIANVS PIVS FEL AVG does not show up until the Third Issue (RIC #63 ff.).
6. Also attached are several screenshots from Bland's thesis. The plates showing pictures of the coins are on plates 13-15 of volume 2, and are quite poor. I can see, though, that they all seem to have the long obverse legend IMP CAES M ANT GORDIANVS AVG.
The attachments are:
1. Picture showing an obverse from Rome (left) and Antioch (right) to see the differences.
2. Screenshot of Triton V, lot 2069.
3. Screenshot of a short comment from Bland, page 54, vol. 1.
4. Screenshot of a longer comment from Bland, page 66, vol. 1.
5. Screenshot of Bland's listings for the PM TRP II COS PP listings, page 56, vol. 1.
6. Screenshot of part of plate 13, vol. 2, showing quality of the illustrations.
I hope someone else can give you better information than I have.
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