Author Topic: Fake provincial coin, 25mm? (Read 1662 times)

John H4 · « **on:** October 28, 2009, 09:58:57 am »

Hi all.

I short while ago I bought this coin on ebay. I thought it looked alright, but later I got 2 ebay messages stating that the seller was a fraud and that my coin wasn't genuine. It's 25mm. I'm not convinced of this, so I'd like to hear your opinions. In advance, thanks for the help!

Bacchus · « **Reply #1 on:** October 28, 2009, 11:41:03 am »

I can't see anything wrong with it

MAlcolm

aragon6 · « **Reply #2 on:** October 28, 2009, 01:05:46 pm »

nor can I either in my humble opinion

Robert_Brenchley · « **Reply #3 on:** October 28, 2009, 04:27:15 pm »

It may or may not have been a dodgy seller, but the coin looks OK.

cas423 · « **Reply #4 on:** October 28, 2009, 04:36:00 pm »

i would search for his/her user id against the known fraudulant dealers list on this website and look for known forgeries of the same coin to see if the die matches up. there are tons of links on this forum to search that info.

John H4 · « **Reply #5 on:** October 28, 2009, 05:36:08 pm »

Thanks for your answers. As far as I can see, the seller isn't on the "FORVM's Notorious Fake Sellers List". Apparently, the seller has only sold around 10 coins within the last 2 months on ebay. I've uploaded the photos of some of those coins for you to determine:

John H4 · « **Reply #6 on:** October 28, 2009, 05:39:38 pm »

2 more coin photos:

areich · « **Reply #7 on:** October 28, 2009, 05:40:02 pm »

That's probably one of the reasons Ebay doesn't do much against frauds, who knows how many reports they get for coins that are perfectly fine? Nothing wrong with any of these coins in my opinion.

Andreas

wandigeaux (1940 - 2010) · « **Reply #8 on:** October 28, 2009, 05:44:25 pm »

Seem to me to be just very unattractive examples, judging from the photos. George S.

areich · « **Reply #9 on:** October 28, 2009, 06:21:36 pm »

Well, yes. Replace 'perfectly fine' with 'perfectly genuine'.
The first Trajan is ok at least.

John H4 · « **Reply #10 on:** October 28, 2009, 06:45:34 pm »

That's very good news indeed. By the way, I found 2 coins sold by the seller to one of the above mentioned ebayers (one of those who sent me a message warning me about the seller) who had called them reproductions:

curtislclay · « **Reply #11 on:** October 28, 2009, 06:50:09 pm »

I would happily accept a 10-1 bet that those two coins are authentic, so have been wrongly condemned!

Steve Minnoch · « **Reply #12 on:** October 28, 2009, 07:46:02 pm »

More CFDL false positives?

Steve

curtislclay · « **Reply #13 on:** October 28, 2009, 08:09:07 pm »

False positives in any case, unless exact duplicates of them can be shown, proving that they are very deceptive pressure casts of the kind that can't be recognized in an isolated image!

I consider that an unlikely possibility, but it can't be fully excluded.

Robert_Brenchley · « **Reply #14 on:** October 29, 2009, 04:50:37 pm »

Almost certainly, they were condemned by someone who either had a grudge, or didn't know what they were talking about.

archivum · « **Reply #15 on:** October 31, 2009, 12:04:10 am »

A bit of this photography looks like work of a seller I've tracked who sells both fakes * and genuine ancients, though indeed all the coins that you've posted look okay to me. Does his seller-name start alb?

* For instance https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-7771

John H4 · « **Reply #16 on:** October 31, 2009, 08:31:45 am »

Hi archivum.

His seller name starts with alib and he's from Spain.

archivum · « **Reply #17 on:** October 31, 2009, 08:53:48 am »

Different guy, I believe (the alb seller's supposedly in Crete); hard to search either one in Ebay using incomplete names, which is probaby okay in this case, since from what we've seen so far your seller's coins don't include fakes. But in future threads, here on this board, it's okay to name names; if your coins pass review, that's all strictly good news for the seller.

Joe Sermarini · « **Reply #18 on:** October 31, 2009, 10:11:20 pm »

Quote from: archivum on October 31, 2009, 08:53:48 am

But in future threads, here on this board, it's okay to name names; if your coins pass review, that's all strictly good news for the seller.

Huh? No, it is not OK to name names. This board is about coins not sellers. The only sellers we name here are those on the notorious seller's list and those we are nominating for the notoroious seller's list.

archivum · « **Reply #19 on:** November 01, 2009, 12:43:37 am »

Well, not in future threads, but here in the Notorious Fake Seller Nomination thread, and more damningly still in the Notorious Fake Sellers List thread, it's okay to name names, if, that is, you're prepared to suggest that someone's probably a fake-seller. Actually John H4 and I finished thrashing this name-quandary out via two off-list emails; when in doubt, that may well be the best way to handle things.

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