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Offline dougsmit

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Fake Probus
« on: August 23, 2012, 06:35:28 pm »
When I received this coin, I thought the sand patina looked odd so I rubbed the coin lightly between my fingers and it came off.  Looking more closely at the dealer's excellent photo I see casting pearls I am ashamed I missed before including a huge one at the P of Probus.

The dealer photo is below.  The item was also in the Fake Reports:
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-12706
and now the new one is, too.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-13396
My photo is after wiping lightly with a dry finger which removed the 'sand' patina making the coin rather blacker than it appears in the photo. 

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Re: Fake Probus
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2012, 06:53:46 pm »
Doug,

Are those casting pearls near the ties, as well?

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Re: Fake Probus
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2012, 06:55:51 pm »
Ties should have ball decorations so I'm not yet clear on which were from the coin and which were pearls.  I suspect there are both present.

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Re: Fake Probus
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2012, 06:59:01 pm »
Ouch!

I suggest that it would be beneficial to post the dealers photo alongside that of the "cleaned" coin in the Fake reports to highlight just how these types can be displayed and as evidence of how a clearly fake enhancing patina is readily removed, together with some comment to this effect. I am sure some/many would find this educational with your before and after observations preserved for reference in the Fake reports.

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Re: Fake Probus
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2012, 07:19:20 pm »
Doug, is this a normal portrait for Probus? None of mine look anything like this one. It almost looks like a cross between Probus and Nerva.

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Re: Fake Probus
« Reply #5 on: August 23, 2012, 08:40:47 pm »
This is my other example.  Different but not too different?

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Re: Fake Probus
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2012, 08:13:09 am »
It is an odd portrait, but the fake was probably cast using a genuine coin to make the mold.
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