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blondeboyz

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Getting collection insured against theft or loss
« on: May 10, 2014, 12:27:46 pm »
While I am not a beginner at ancient coin collecting I am new at getting my collection insured against theft or loss.  My homeowners policy will not cover stamp or coin collections but I can get it insured separately for about $85.  My dilemma involves how to go about getting my collection appraised for insurance purposes.  I live in southwest Virginia.

I have over $60,000 invested in ancient coins, mostly Roman or notable monarchs in history.  Nearly all of them are NGC or PCGS certified and graded.  My insurance company has no referrals or information on how to go about it.  My coin dealer (out of state) cannot give me any recommendations other than they could send me my purchase information.  I already have all invoices on hand from all dealers.  I've checked for coin dealers local to me and cannot find any that are suitable.  I feel that registered dealers who sell mostly jewelry and all sorts of other items are jacks of all trades and I am not sure if they can accurately value my collection.  Besides, the one has extremely bad reviews and I wouldn't trust anything to him.

So I guess my question to the forum is:  Where do I go to get my collection appraised for insurance?  How do I get it done?  Do they need to physically see each coin or would a photo copy of the encapsulated coin suffice if it shows the grading and certification?  Has anyone else had their collection insured and what did your insurance company need for verification?

Before someone suggests I place them in a bank safety deposit box, I do have my reasons for not wanting to do so.  It is extremely well protected against fire and theft already.  Having it insured against possible (however unlikely) fire loss or burglary is well worth the extra $85 per year.

Thank you for your help or suggestions.

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Re: Getting collection insured against theft or loss
« Reply #1 on: May 10, 2014, 12:58:52 pm »
I live in the UK. I have my collection insured with a specialist company. I don't have to let them know the exact details of the coins or their individual values. The premium is calculated per £2000. I calculate how much the entire collection is worth. I do need to tell them about any coin worth over £1000 but not the exact details and value.

Have you checked if the insurance company you plan to use requires a valuation?
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Re: Getting collection insured against theft or loss
« Reply #2 on: May 10, 2014, 01:36:56 pm »
I would check with your current home insurance company and ask if they can insure such or offer an additional policy that covers valuables beyond the standard coverage.
It's something I need to do also though my value is not as high as yours and I have done that in the past for expensive jewellery

What I plan to do is take jpegs of the coins I have in each tray and then load them up into the gallery here so I always have a record of them or load them into the cloud or something like that
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Re: Getting collection insured against theft or loss
« Reply #3 on: May 10, 2014, 02:07:01 pm »
When I checked with my home insurance company they
(a) didn't offer cover on my coins, and
(b) voided my existing home insurance policy completely, and refused to cover me anymore, on the basis that I probably had piles of krugerrands on my windowsills, inviting burglars to enter and then steal my TV set (for which they were covering me). This despite protests that my coins were not actually kept at home and I only wanted insurance for intermittent visits and transits.

I would advise firstly to beef up physical security, given that, for reasons that it is best you don't explain, you've chosen to keep them at home. My priority order would be (a) a safe (b) locks (c) alarm. I put it in that order because of Murphy's law: on the day the burglar visits you'll have left your windows open and the alarm off, and/or the theft is as likely to come from an invited guest or worker as externally, and locks and alarms don't protect against guests (nor, incidentally, do many insurance policies). Also, anecdotally, when did you last hear about an ancient coin theft from a locked safe? In-transit, and at-home-but-unsecured seem the norm.

With the coins secured, then consider insurance. Do you need it? Many people own cars with only basic third party insurance. We often bear many uninsured risks without caring too much about it. Specialist insurance for this size collection may not be worth getting if its loss would not be a catastrophe and if you have high levels of physical protection. If you decide you do need it, then I would advise to go specialist as Peter has done.

I offer this advice based on having worked in and studied risk management (in university, and at a corporate level, deciding how to protect, and whether to insure assets). Insurance is usually the last resort because, aside from being on average a net cost (insurers have to make a profit), you've lost the use of the asset by the time you've called in the insurers, and you may care more about having the coins than having financial compensation. It is usually most appropriate for assets whose value you can't afford to lose e.g. your home, or where there are legal requirements, or for risks that you can't physically protect much against in advance, such as hurricanes or medical-costs. The first resort is invariably to avoid owning the asset in the first place. Coin lovers can do this by reading books, browsing online, and visiting museums!

Post-script - noted the views of Adrian below. He may be right that I was unlucky with my home insurance provider. I'd still put physical protection at the top of your list, and go specialist if you decide that it's appropriate to insure.

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Re: Getting collection insured against theft or loss
« Reply #4 on: May 10, 2014, 02:13:41 pm »
I work with a lot of insurance companies and refer a lot of business to them so thats not likely to happen what Andrew experienced so never hurts to ask plus you could always contact another insurance co and see if they cover.
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Re: Getting collection insured against theft or loss
« Reply #5 on: May 10, 2014, 04:48:34 pm »
I use a company to insure my collection that does not require appraisals.

They are 100% dedicated to insuring collections of all sorts. Their claim process, which I fortunately have never had to use is supposed to be very easy.

Check them out here:   www.collectinsure.com


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Re: Getting collection insured against theft or loss
« Reply #6 on: May 11, 2014, 07:17:06 am »
I use a company to insure my collection that does not require appraisals.

They are 100% dedicated to insuring collections of all sorts. Their claim process, which I fortunately have never had to use is supposed to be very easy.

Check them out here:   www.collectinsure.com



Thank you cmcdon0923,  I am definitely going to check them out and get a quote.

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Re: Getting collection insured against theft or loss
« Reply #7 on: May 12, 2014, 03:56:23 am »
My collection is insured through Lloyds of London, though not directly, through a broker.  I found an insurance company online that offers numismatic policies and they turned out to use Llyods.

They only need the value as you pay based on that.  I assume that their payout would never go above this value no matter what the real value of the coins turned out to be.

I do have an old valuation list.  I took it to a dealer I know well and he looked it over (just the list not the actual collection) and certified it despite the fact only a small proportion of the coins came from him.  He had known me for years though and had some confidence that I could identify my coins correctly and describe their condition.  The insurance company never asked for such a list though but told me it was good to have one on hand.

Now I have moved to taking digital photos of each tray.  I take 3 or 4 images of each tray - obverses, reverses, tags and reverses of tags if necessary.

The i9mages are useful for insurance claims, inventory, records, etc.

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Re: Getting collection insured against theft or loss
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2014, 10:00:15 am »
In looking for someone to appraise your collection have you contacted any auction houses? Many auction houses also offer appraisal services for a fee.

I'm not sure exactly how it works in other countries, but in the US the appraiser should be USPAP (Uniform Standards of Professional Appraisal Practice) certified, or it is unlikely that the appraisal will hold any legal standing in the event of an insurance claim or for estate purposes. If you contact an auction house that offers appraisal services, ask them specifically whether their appraisers are ASA (American Society of Appraisers) members and USPAP certified.

If you're not sure where to start you should contact the ASA (American Society of Appraisers) and ask for a referral to a specialist. The opinion of a dealer or local coin shop will be meaningless should you actually need to make a claim if the appraiser is not USAP certified and the appraisal document does not follow USPAP standards.

Again, if you live in a country such as the UK no doubt there are similar standards and a similar organization you could contact.

 

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