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Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« on: October 21, 2013, 08:31:23 am »
I am putting this message in two different sections here on Forvm:

I am currently compiling lists of all the bronze coins of Lydia, assisting an author who will be writing a new corpus of the coinage of Lydia.
I am working through the cities from A onwards and am currently at M (Maeonia, Magnesia etc.)
If you have a bronze coin of Lydia which you believe is
unlisted, and would like it to be included in the new
corpus, could you please send me good images and the
information (weight, size, etc) to me by email ? (helvetica.dane at gmail.com) with the city name as the subject ?
Note: Please check whether your coin is already on
wildwinds, in which case you need not re-send it.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2013, 11:24:53 am »
Several emailed.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2013, 04:38:07 pm »
Thanks Tom, I will go through them in alphabetical order and will let you
know if I have any IDs for them. I am looking in literally hundreds of places
including old pdfs.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2014, 02:16:07 pm »
In case you missed the thread "Salonina from Magnesia" of the last couple of days, here is an extremely rare Salonina from Magnesia ad Sipylum. Mark Fox was kind enough to confirm the attribution and posted images of another specimen, from a Lanz auction, but mine is much nicer! A third specimen was published by Leake, Supplement to Numismata Hellenica, p.68. For full details please see the aforementioned thread.
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2014, 02:17:51 pm »
P.S. Just re-read your initial post - I'll send you the information by email.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2014, 01:23:13 am »
Hi ;
i am posting this coin which i blieve unpublished...you can find it in discussion board
Regards
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2014, 07:39:15 am »
Leypold 7 in MöNG XXX-IV, 1990; Leypold I, 993

Yours is a lovely example and has the same countermark on the obverse as the Leypold
example (Artemis Anaitis, Howgego 233). In fact your coin may be from the same dies as
the Leypold coin.
I would like to use your example for wildwinds.


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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #7 on: August 08, 2014, 07:52:34 am »


Great job Helvetica. I had forgotten that I had Leopold I. It is a nice double die match including placement of the countermark on the obverse.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #8 on: August 08, 2014, 08:04:23 am »
Any photo of the coin and some more details[size,weight,etc...] as i don't have this Ref?
Thanks
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #9 on: August 08, 2014, 08:32:37 am »
The Leypold coin is 30 mm, 15.20 gr. Die rotation 6°.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #10 on: August 08, 2014, 08:39:17 am »
@gordianguy: well, you should know me with xls files - I have made some for
several of the "big output" Lydian cities for my own use, so I can keep track of what I have
documented and what not, for when I come across what may be new types.
I won't be putting them online as otherwise nobody would buy the new catalog when it comes out.
As I may have mentioned, I am working through the cities in alphabetical order and am currently working on Thyateira. The last of the biggies, so I am on the finishing  stretch.  :P

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #11 on: August 08, 2014, 08:57:10 am »
great thanks
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #12 on: August 08, 2014, 09:33:48 am »
@gordianguy: well, you should know me with xls files - I have made some for
several of the "big output" Lydian cities for my own use, so I can keep track of what I have
documented and what not, for when I come across what may be new types.
I won't be putting them online as otherwise nobody would by the new catalog when it comes out.
As I may have mentioned, I am working through the cities in alphabetical order and am currently working on Thyateira. The last of the biggies, so I am on the finishing  stretch.  :P

Well, I certainly can't wait to buy my copy of the new catalog. I sent Nassif your way because I knew you were doing Lydia and if anyone would know it would be you. I really need to take the time to put together a simple catalog of my library - with regions covered by volume - like you did!! As I add more books - and forget what each covers I find that I don't have the energy to peruse through each in search of a coin. When I saw Nassif's coin that first thing I did was go to Altinoluk's book, which as we already know, is not a book about coins. Then I looked up at the shelf of books and said ah heck with it - go see Helvetica(!!!) she'll know!

thanks for being there as a great resource...

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #13 on: August 08, 2014, 09:52:05 pm »
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go see Helvetica(!!!)
You know I REALLY had to laugh when I saw that. In my wild youth as a rocker (i.e. a motorcycle rider and active member of the 59 club) I used to know a lot about Triumph motorcycles and all the spare part numbers etc. as I had worked for years in my school holidays in the spare parts department of a big motorcycle and Triumphs became my speciality. So down at the 59 club, when anyone had a problem with a Triumph, they used to say "go and see Dane".  ;D

Cataloging all your pdfs takes time, but if you sort them into regions then just do the small/short ones first, you can get through them. What you could do is just add bookmarks in the pdf, then use a  bookmark-copying tool, save them as a text file then copy and paste them into Excel. That way you don't have to write everything twice. (Having said that I still do them all the long way = twice)

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #14 on: September 10, 2014, 01:27:34 pm »
Just a quick update on my Lydian research.
After slogging through all the cities from A... onwards, I am just finishing Tralles and am about to start Tripolis. The list of consulted books, websites, coin shops, pdfs, offprints, public and private collections (e.g. Mark Fox who finds the most remarkable coins at auctions) is tremendous but I am looking forward to the end of the Tripolis list !
At a rough count (Word pages x an average of 7.5 coin entries per page) I currently have 5,798 coins (AE only!!) documented, including all the various monograms. (To explain how I read monograms, see
www.wildwinds.com/coins/greece/lydia/sardes/reading_monograms.html
in the Sardes section of wildwinds.)
The initiator of the project is hopefully coming to visit in mid-October and I hope to be able to tell him that I have finished.
So root amongst your coins and if you have any Lydian coins with a question mark against them, please do send them by email to me (see my profile for my email address) so I can check them against my lists.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2015, 08:21:07 pm »
Dane,

This is Tabala, same dies as Waddington 5304 which you illustrate on Wildwinds.

Source: from Andreas Reich (antike-muenzen) via eBay, 22 Feb. 2015, 33-4 mm, 17.97 g, 6h. His picture.

Two corrections in your transcription of the legends:

On obv. just CE, not CEOY.

On rev. an A seems to have been omitted from the archon's name:

[EΠI] - AΓΘHΦ - O - POY; should be

AΓAΘHΦ - O - POY.

The second A was apparently left out.



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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #16 on: July 17, 2015, 07:11:10 am »
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #17 on: July 17, 2015, 09:10:30 pm »
(Reply copied from another part of Forvm)
I wrote to G & N when this auction was still active and told them that it was
Milne, Oxford 3 in NC 1939.
They asked me for a copy of the entry from that Journal, which I sent them,
with the image if I remember correctly - almost a month before the auction ended,
but they did not change the description.
I have done this with numerous Lydian coins which they describe as "unpublished"
but they never change the description in the auction, possibly because it would play
havoc with the listings copied to places such as CoinAirchives, Sixbid etc.

Mind you, G & N have a helluva lot of Lydian (and other) coins which ARE unlisted -
I have found four in their current auction and probably 8 others since the beginning
of 2015.
With "unlisted" I mean that they are not in any of the hundreds of lists, collections,
journals, books, pdfs etc. which I consulted. (including spending a small fortune on
books I needed... but thanks to Uncle John Aiello I didn't need to buy ALL the ones
I needed.   :)
I will copy this reply to the "unlisted Lydian Coins wanted" thread as well.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #18 on: July 17, 2015, 11:33:53 pm »
Dane:

Something I used to own.


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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2015, 06:13:37 pm »
It's a beauty and has been on wildwinds for a while, firstly under Zach's beastcoins
name, and since then as "ex beastcoins, ex Iwanwi of Forum Ancient Coins:)

It's
Waddington 2686; Paris 1824.

A really lovely coin.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #20 on: July 20, 2015, 11:59:59 am »
Hi Dane:

Thanks for the identification. I did not check for it on Wildwinds. I believe it is also ex. Virgil Brand collection.

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Re:Julia Domna AE 28-Hypaepa for Ref>??
« Reply #21 on: August 21, 2015, 01:56:34 am »
Hi All;
I guess it's Julia Domna from Hypaepa which needs Ref??
AE 28mm-15,4g-6h
Thanks for any help

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #22 on: August 21, 2015, 07:14:58 am »
Very nice !
Julia Domna. 193-217. Magistrate Ti. Fl. Herodos Papionos.
IOYLIA CEBACTH (clockwise from top right), draped bust right, countermark: Artemis Anaitis facing (Howgego 233).
EPI CTR T FL PAPIWNOC HRWDOY YPAIPHNWN (H-R W-D O-Y across fields, YPAIPHNWN in exergue), Cult image of Artemis Anaitis facing, wearing polos and veil.
AE 30 mm.
Imhoof Lydische Stadtmünzen* 16.

(Usually abbreviated to "Imhoof LS")

I would like to use this for wildwinds. There is no image of this coin in Imhoof.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #23 on: August 21, 2015, 07:40:40 am »
Great Thanks-Imhoof Lydische Stadtmünzen* 16. is the Ref??Any other Ref?Rarity?
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
« Reply #24 on: August 21, 2015, 08:34:48 am »
Yes, Imhoof LS 16 is definitely the reference for this coin. But as I say, there are no
images of the coin in "Lydische Stadtmünzen" and it is not in any of the old Imhoof
collection sale's catalogs.

I have not found this coin anywhere else, including Altinoluk, Niggeler, Prowe, Mionnet,
various volumes of SNG Turkey, SNG von Aulock, SNG Copenhagen, numerous collections,
pdfs etc. It is listed only in Imhoof.
There are similar ones but not all with the magistrate's second name of Herodos.

- Bergama Museum collection no. 1651 (with Herodos) but they list theirs without EPI.
- SNG Turkey, Tire museum has loads of Domna coins with this reverse, but without the
magistrate's second name of Herodos, only the name Papionos, e.g. Tire 397 with 
W-N across the fields, but that is the end of the city name, plus on that one, Domna's
name runs clockwise from bottom left, not top right.

So I would say yours is quite scarce.

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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
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Re: Lydia, unpublished coin images wanted.
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