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Offline Mark Z

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"numis18" has been busy...
« on: February 03, 2013, 12:45:11 pm »
Hello Friends!

I just wanted to update the board on the latest listings by NSFL member "numis18" of fleabay infamy.

Here are his latest offerings.

I will be happy to post any and all in the Fakes Reports that are deemed fakes by the FORVM experts.

Regards,
mz

p.s. Here the first five. Five more to follow.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #1 on: February 03, 2013, 12:47:05 pm »
Next five:

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mz

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #2 on: February 03, 2013, 11:26:10 pm »
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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #3 on: February 04, 2013, 09:16:20 am »
Deeply tooled.
But not fakes.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #4 on: February 04, 2013, 12:55:24 pm »
I believe I have seen in-hand some coins from the same maker.  They were not just tooled, they were cast fakes.  In any case, even if these were once genuine, they are certainly now fakes.  The are not worthy of any collection
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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2013, 12:37:45 pm »

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2013, 09:50:40 pm »
Here are a couple more that posted in the last 24 hours or so.

Also, here is some potentially helpful info for the NSFL list from a negative feedback left for him:

"numis18 = johan2850 = ardenias21"

Neither of those other names are on the list yet.

Regards,
mz

p.s. fake coin reports have been posted.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #7 on: February 14, 2013, 10:36:51 am »
The latest listing by "numis18" ending in a few days:

Hadrian Sestertius

Fake Report added.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #8 on: February 17, 2013, 12:48:46 pm »
...and another:

Trajan Sestertius.

Fake report added.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #9 on: February 17, 2013, 12:54:32 pm »
...and yet another that just popped up this morning:

Marcus Aurelius Sestertius.

Fake Report added.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #10 on: February 17, 2013, 12:58:23 pm »
Just pulled out my calculator.

Over the past 15 days, this snake has raked in over $2600 USD.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #11 on: February 24, 2013, 01:01:41 am »
The latest offering from "numis18" on fleabay:

Sabina, wife of Hadrian AE Sestertius.

Looks pretty bad but once again I defer to our experts for verification of fakery.

I will then post a fake report.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #12 on: March 12, 2013, 01:34:43 am »
It's been a while but here is the latest offering from "numis18" of fleaBay infamy:

Trajan sestertius.

If you scroll back up a little you will see a similar sestertius with what looks like the same portrait.

Fake Report added.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #13 on: March 12, 2013, 04:50:00 am »
I would be very happy to know for certain that all of these are tooled modern fakes. I can't feel much compassion for people who spend this kind of money without educating themselves first but I am sad and angry to see decent coins tooled.
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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #14 on: March 12, 2013, 10:57:45 am »
Some of these coins look very convincing. I understand why people buy these for real. Sad story indeed. And filing a complaint to EB is not helping either. They cash for every sold item... Who's to blame ?
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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #15 on: March 12, 2013, 03:30:12 pm »
Something that is really amazing to see is when he has several listings at once: the uniformity of the patinas should sound some alarms for even the newest of collectors but I guess I'm wrong.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #16 on: March 12, 2013, 08:03:01 pm »
Something that is really amazing to see is when he has several listings at once: the uniformity of the patinas should sound some alarms for even the newest of collectors but I guess I'm wrong.

Regards,
mz

Exactly what i was thinking. Not only the uniformity of the patina but the details also. No worn spots just equal strike all over. If I saw one of these coins it would make me pause. Seeing them all together is a dead give away.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #17 on: March 18, 2013, 01:09:55 am »
This guy is prolific if nothing else:

Trajan Sestertius.

Fake Report added.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #18 on: March 19, 2013, 08:18:26 pm »
I'm intrigued by these coins.
They do seem to be repatinated, and in amazing condition, so we conclude that they have presumably been tooled.
But if so it has been done amazingly well, and apart from the almost unworn condition and the repatination what is there that suggests reworking? Perhaps some experts in these types can assist me.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #19 on: March 20, 2013, 04:29:12 pm »
The style of the carving isn't right. It's more blocky than a genuine example would be.
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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #20 on: March 21, 2013, 12:13:48 am »
Compare with genuine examples. Most of them are very obviously tooled. If it's not clear from looking at them, it becomes clear by comparing with genuine, untooled coins. Toolers very often get the hair and folds of garments wrong.
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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #21 on: March 21, 2013, 02:46:56 am »

Compare with genuine examples.
 
I've done that.

Most of them are very obviously tooled.

Not to me.

If it's not clear from looking at them, it becomes clear by comparing with genuine, untooled coins. Toolers very often get the hair and folds of garments wrong.

The hair and garments on all of these coins that I have checked are impeccable.


There are however a couple of somewhat suspect features on some these coins - can anyone spot them?

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #22 on: March 21, 2013, 05:56:53 am »
"Sad fact of life"

This is an unfortunate turn of events, we can safely say without any shadow of doubt that many potential newcomers to Numismatic collecting will start their collection off only to realize later that the coins they bought in good fave were in fact fakes.

There are so many con artists today making a fast buck that the safest way to be sure of buying genuine coins is to do so via reputable vendors.

Being able to spot a fake is not the easiest task, only in educating yourself through reading material and posts will help to minimize the risks and maybe deter future counterfeiters.

Oh i forgot, gut feeling (if in doubt, dont buy) this has helped me on numerous occations.

Concerned collector.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #23 on: March 21, 2013, 06:37:22 am »
Quote from: Martin R on March 21, 2013, 05:56:53 am
"Sad fact of life"
This is an unfortunate turn of events, we can safely say without any shadow of doubt that many potential newcomers to Numismatic collecting will start their collection off only to realize later that the coins they bought in good fave were in fact fakes.
There are so many con artists today making a fast buck that the safest way to be sure of buying genuine coins is to do so via reputable vendors.
Being able to spot a fake is not the easiest task, only in educating yourself through reading material and posts will help to minimize the risks and maybe deter future counterfeiters.
Oh i forgot, gut feeling (if in doubt, dont buy) this has helped me on numerous occations.
Concerned collector.

This is probably overpessimistic, though you are right to use the "if in doubt, don't buy" control.

ALL you need to do to avoid fakes or altered coins, is to avoid eBay, and buy your coins from trusted retail sources, such as Forvm here, (or other trusted dealers whom you have bought from e.g. via sixbid or vcoins).

There is no need at all for any worries about fakes. If you buy from retail dealers who are well known and have the expertise to authenticate all the coins they sell (NB I am including here the 'ebay arm' of such retail dealers, e.g. when Forvm or HjBerk sell on eBay), then you will not buy any fakes. This is a simple solution that I've hammered away at for years, and I guarantee it works. It worked for me in my initial decade of coin collecting, and it will work for everyone here. If you follow this guidance then you will never need to worry about sellers such as numis18 or other NFSL sellers ever again.

It's in your own hands. Choose the right venue, e.g. Forvm, or another trusted retail venue, or choose the worst most unregulated market in the world.

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Re: "numis18" has been busy...
« Reply #24 on: March 21, 2013, 07:56:05 am »

To be overpessimistic wasn´t my intention Andrew, it was ment has a warning for those people debating wether or not to get involved in collecting coins, your post basically mirrors my thoughts on this matter apart from your softer approach.

I feel that we both presented our concerns about counterfeiting constructively and wish all newcomers to the world of Numismatics good luck with their collections.


 

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