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Offline Nassif

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Unknown crusader coin with cross & lion for ID-Cyprus?
« on: December 07, 2012, 08:57:47 am »
Hi all;
I post this tiny Crusader coin AE 13 mm-W:0,5g.with lion from one side and like Jerusalem Cross with letters in angles on other side.I didn't find anything in CCS Cyprus coinage.Pls i need you help for ID
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Re: Unknown crusader coin with cross & lion for ID-Cyprus?
« Reply #1 on: December 08, 2012, 09:26:51 am »
I just find it-CRUSADER STATES,, Kingdom of Cyprus, Peter II, 1369 – 1382 AD-Bronze AE 13-W;0.5g, obverse + PIERE. ROI D, Lion of Cyprus rampant left; reverse + IERUALEM, cross pattée, pellet in each quarter; Malloy Crusaders 106; Seltman, Num. Circ. (Feb 1968), p. 37, fig. 2,Extremely rare
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Re: Unknown crusader coin with cross & lion for ID-Cyprus?
« Reply #2 on: December 08, 2012, 11:50:27 am »
Nice find.
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Re: Unknown crusader coin with cross & lion for ID-Cyprus?
« Reply #3 on: December 08, 2012, 09:44:17 pm »
Hi Nassif ,
I can't say with confidence that this is Peter II coin , because  I think that the cross is different from CCS 106 . On CCS 106 cross has a slightly different form, the petals of the cross to the middle is more narrow . Also pellet in each quarter of cross , more look like a letters , but this is my opinion . This is my six examples of CCS 104- 106  https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=4498   And letter on obverse legend also confusing me - look like  a  V  ???    Do you have any higher resolution images of this coin. Can you posted here or send to my PM  ?

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Re: Unknown crusader coin with cross & lion for ID-Cyprus?
« Reply #4 on: December 09, 2012, 03:56:28 am »
Hi;
I am posting two new photos with my Sony Camera,that's all what i can do with my material[may be it's time to renew it..]
personnly i can see like a letters ??in angle instead of pellets.My coin looks much nicer than .Probably it's between CCS 104-1-06-all new variety??
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PS:Let me send a great THANKS to Forum and especially to Joe, because without this forum i can't identify any of my rare coins.I still learning something new each day..

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Re: Unknown crusader coin with cross & lion for ID-Cyprus?
« Reply #5 on: December 15, 2012, 10:30:02 pm »
Very interesting coin , but still don't see a Peter II denier . Hopefully other members , far more familiar with medieval coins ,  will chime in discussion  regarding your coin attribution  :)

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Re: Unknown crusader coin with cross & lion for ID-Cyprus?
« Reply #6 on: December 16, 2012, 08:09:11 am »
I agree they are letters, not pellets, and the attribution is likely wrong.
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Re: Unknown crusader coin with cross & lion for ID-Cyprus?
« Reply #7 on: December 17, 2012, 12:59:09 pm »
I have the conviction from the beginning that pellets look more like letters than pellets...any idea for attribution?still Cyprus mint?No References...is it unpublished??
thanks all for your contribution and help
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Re: Unknown crusader coin with cross & lion for ID-Cyprus?
« Reply #8 on: December 17, 2012, 08:49:11 pm »
The letters/pellets in the corners are not very clear, but I could easily interpret them as four B's, a reverse type that was used in Lesbos by the Gattillusio dynasty at Metelin (see Schlumberger plate XVI) and at other locations.  But I can't find anywhere that this reverse type was coupled with a lion obverse.

The obverse type with the lion rampant was used extensively in the Low Countries, and some early 15th century issues even had letters in the quadrants of the cross (gros cromstert or kromstaart).  But they were large coins, and they were made of good silver.  The corresponding quarter-gros issues had on the obverse a lion within a shield, which is entirely different from yours.

My best guess is that your coin is a counterfeit cypriot carzia from around the time of James II (1460-73).  But that's just a guess...

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Jim

 

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