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« on: June 19, 2012, 12:29:24 pm »

Hey Folks,

I've started the man-faced bull (on bronze coinage) appreciation site.  It is in its earliest stages and will be offline again next week, but I'd like to get some opinions before I start the next update.

Here are my thoughts so far:

1. Right now I only have three sections, but it is getting crowded.  Should I have more sections and if so, what?

2. I realize I need to have things in better order (e.g. HN Italy 475 before HN Italy 478, etc.).  Wordpress ain't as easy as it was made out to be!

3. I'm not fixed on the theme but so far it is the only one that had the basic layout I wanted.

4.  I've already noticed a few inconsistencies with the attributions, which were gathered mostly from auction catalogs.  I'm working on them but if you recognize any please let me know.


Anyway, all suggestions are appreciated.

Site:  http://manfacedbulls.wordpress.com/

Thanks!

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« Reply #1 on: June 19, 2012, 02:10:01 pm »

Are you looking for duplicate examples from our collections to show on the site, or just one good one of each type?

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« Reply #2 on: June 19, 2012, 04:43:07 pm »

Are you looking for duplicate examples from our collections to show on the site, or just one good one of each type?

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One good one of each type.  If you have one better than an example listed I'd love to add it.

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« Reply #3 on: June 20, 2012, 01:25:31 pm »

Hi Nick,

Nice site. A few practical comments.

1. the thumbnails are below visible size meaning the coins can't be seen at all without enlarging. 150 pixels wide just isn't enough. 240 is an absolute minimum; 320 is usually fine. It may seem a trivial difference but most people won't click on the pictures, they will just think "too small" and move somewhere else. I attach below your thumbs actual size as well as a 500 px blow-up of the thumbnail, and your enlarged picture, for illustration. In fact why not put the full size (500 px wide) image directly on each main page?

2. Worthwhile considering 2 coin images per type to show differences in details, and to give rarities a chance of second showing. Again noting that your page is not especially image-intensive, you could double the number of images without much detriment.

3. I would cite weights and diameters if you know them. Diameters are often not available but at least with weight one could get an idea of size.

4. If possible to sub-divide the pages further, I would. "Campania - Neapolis" should have its own page for example, rather than "Italy". Of course that will also help image-load time.

Where is Crawford 2/1, also a man-headed bull type?  Wink

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« Reply #4 on: June 21, 2012, 09:04:42 am »

Thank you for the advice, Andrew, it is very much appreciated.

I think I can fairly easily re-upload the photos at a larger size (it offers thumbnail, small, medium and large).  I'll try medium and see how that looks.  The problem with Wordpress (or maybe just this theme) is that I have to re-format every image and description every time I make an edit.  There's got to be an easier way and I'm just missing it!

I definitely need more sections, I'm just wondering how to split them up.  So, Campania, Neapolis is one, but Cales wouldn't get it's own, or would it, with only a handful of examples?  Perhaps adding more than one image of each type is the solution.  Maybe Neapolis gets its own and all other main land Italy in another?  Decisions, decisions.

I'll have to re-check the catalog listings on a few to see if weight was listed (it must be!) and I missed it.  I was focused on getting as many examples as possible and now I have to focus on the integrity of information and photos.

Do you have an image of Crawford 2/1 that I could use?  I read on acsearch that there is only one known example.

Thanks again!

Nick

PS: I'll be taking the site offline soon to make all these edits and conform to the auction house image use requirements (some need a webpage listed, others just the auction specific info, etc.)  I've also noticed quite a few inconsistencies as Nikos always warns me about when getting attribution info from the internet!
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« Reply #5 on: June 21, 2012, 10:03:12 am »

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I think I can fairly easily re-upload the photos at a larger size (it offers thumbnail, small, medium and large).  I'll try medium and see how that looks.  The problem with Wordpress (or maybe just this theme) is that I have to re-format every image and description every time I make an edit.  There's got to be an easier way and I'm just missing it!
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I definitely need more sections, I'm just wondering how to split them up.  So, Campania, Neapolis is one, but Cales wouldn't get it's own, or would it, with only a handful of examples?  Perhaps adding more than one image of each type is the solution.  Maybe Neapolis gets its own and all other main land Italy in another?  Decisions, decisions.
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Do you have an image of Crawford 2/1 that I could use?  I read on acsearch that there is only one known example.

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I suggest you steal the RRC 2/1 from Crawford's catalogue (if you have it). I'm not aware of any high quality image. The coin is Naples F113828. If, in this case, you kept the image small, I doubt anyone would mind (given that a copy of a thumbnail b&w image from a book is hardly going to be of great quality anyways)

Even with a handful of examples it's best to be consistent and split up, but you could choose regions in Italy rather than cities. Tip to split (which I always use in html): Just copy the entire code, then create a new page, then duplicate the code, then delete the un-needed bits. I guess you went the Wordpress route based on advice given on this board, and would manage to work out how to do it?!?
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« Reply #6 on: June 22, 2012, 02:29:51 pm »

Thanks for the advice, I'll try and borrow a copy of Crawford.

I cant copy/paste in that fashion so far as I know.  This is just a prototype so if it isn't working out I'm going to go back to the traditional route and swipe other people's code to help me along Smiley

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« Reply #7 on: December 03, 2012, 10:46:21 am »

Hey Folks,

Just finished my first update to the MFB page.  As suggested by others, I enlarged the images and now every city has its own page.

Next up, rearranging entries within each city's page, since things are still sort-of jumbled together, and doing some editing within the listings.

Let me know your thoughts or if you have any coins to add!

Nick

http://manfacedbulls.wordpress.com/
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« Reply #8 on: January 25, 2013, 12:31:08 am »

Nick,

If you are still seeking a scan of RRC 2, man-headed bull Republican type, see below. It is Naples F113828.

Please don't credit me - the pic is copyright Cambridge University Press and I doubt they will formally allow its reproduction. Just put it up and say nothing. Whilst I'm a strong defender of photo copyright over my own high-quality images, this is just one scrappy scan of an actual size grey photo in a forty year old book, so some perspective is needed.

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« Reply #9 on: January 25, 2013, 08:35:19 am »

Thanks, Andrew!

Crawford was kind enough to allow me to use a scan from his book, but since I don't have the book, I've used a picture of a screenshot from my computer and the image looks terrible.  This one is MUCH better!

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« Reply #10 on: January 25, 2013, 08:43:36 am »

Here is the only other Neapolis AE I know of that has a similar man-faced bull, with profile of head:

213. Apollo right, four dolphins surrounding, dotted border / MFB right with head in profile, trident above, NEOΠOΛITΩN in ex. (Sambon 650)

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« Reply #11 on: January 25, 2013, 08:45:45 am »

Thanks, Andrew!

Crawford was kind enough to allow me to use a scan from his book, but since I don't have the book, I've used a picture of a screenshot from my computer and the image looks terrible.  This one is MUCH better!

Nick

Although you might not recognise it, this is the same image! (I took the image from Crawford's RRC).
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« Reply #12 on: January 24, 2014, 05:38:21 am »

Hey Folks,

I've started the man-faced bull (on bronze coinage) appreciation site.  It is in its earliest stages and will be offline again next week, but I'd like to get some opinions before I start the next update.

Here are my thoughts so far:

1. Right now I only have three sections, but it is getting crowded.  Should I have more sections and if so, what?

2. I realize I need to have things in better order (e.g. HN Italy 475 before HN Italy 478, etc.).  Wordpress ain't as easy as it was made out to be!

3. I'm not fixed on the theme but so far it is the only one that had the basic layout I wanted.

4.  I've already noticed a few inconsistencies with the attributions, which were gathered mostly from auction catalogs.  I'm working on them but if you recognize any please let me know.


Anyway, all suggestions are appreciated.

Site:  http://manfacedbulls.wordpress.com/

Thanks!

Nick

It's come a long way since June 2012 and there's still a long way to go, but just yesterday we hit 5,000 views, with a total of 32 different countries!

Joe, don't you get something like a million a month?  Looks like I'm catching up!
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« Reply #13 on: January 24, 2014, 05:46:22 am »

It's come a long way since June 2012 and there's still a long way to go, but just yesterday we hit 5,000 views, with a total of 32 different countries!

Joe, don't you get something like a million a month?  Looks like I'm catching up!

Intermediate target - catch up with my site, running at a million a year!

But very well done because your site is a deeply specialist one, and you are getting hits from those who really want to view man-faced bulls. A consequence of my high hit rate is that google has me as a preferential source for images, hence I get thousands of hits from those googling Sex Pom (sic) but were looking for something different from a bronze coin of Sextus Pompeius Fostulus, or who have a look at my Marcia Phillipus quadrans with a Cock standing on the prow, or are curious about my bronze series with an Ass above the prow. Not everyone is looking for ancient coins!

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« Reply #14 on: January 24, 2014, 06:02:38 am »

It's come a long way since June 2012 and there's still a long way to go, but just yesterday we hit 5,000 views, with a total of 32 different countries!

Joe, don't you get something like a million a month?  Looks like I'm catching up!

Intermediate target - catch up with my site, running at a million a year!

But very well done because your site is a deeply specialist one, and you are getting hits from those who really want to view man-faced bulls. A consequence of my high hit rate is that google has me as a preferential source for images, hence I get thousands of hits from those googling Sex Pom (sic) but were looking for something different from a bronze coin of Sextus Pompeius Fostulus, or who have a look at my Marcia Phillipus quadrans with a Cock standing on the prow, or are curious about my bronze series with an Ass above the prow. Not everyone is looking for ancient coins!



Wow, that's an impressive number, Andrew!  What is your record for views in a day?  Mine is 198!
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« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2014, 07:45:08 am »

Taras found some new MFB bronze coins from Iaitos:

http://manfacedbulls.wordpress.com/latos/

I've attached one here for you to see.  Previously, we had only known of one variety from there, so we are very excited !
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« Reply #16 on: February 03, 2014, 07:43:49 am »

A new silver fractional from Emporion, weighing in at a whopping 0.356g!

Another great find from Crispina:

http://manfacedbullsar.wordpress.com/emporion/

AR fraction, 0.356g, Head of man-faced bull right / unclear. (Omni, No. 6, 4/2-13, fig. 19.)
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« Reply #17 on: February 03, 2014, 08:03:03 am »

She also found two others from Arse:

http://manfacedbullsar.wordpress.com/arse/

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« Reply #18 on: February 03, 2014, 10:43:22 pm »

I acquired a man-faced bull Crawford 1 yesterday, the first Roman coin. It's a small thin dark corroded lightweight worn ugly coin, but genuine. It was expensive for a generic ancient bronze of this poor quality, but it certainly ticks a box for me, and might have cost a great deal more. I'll be happy to provide an image in time for hosting on the MFB site, that is if Nick could accept such an ugly coin...
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« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2014, 08:42:47 am »

I acquired a man-faced bull Crawford 1 yesterday, the first Roman coin.

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Congratulations, Andrew!!!!!!  I know that you have wanted one for so, so long!

By the way, the very last coin that Nick posted above made me think of you - when will your paper on "test cuts" be published?

And congratulations, Nick, on receiving so many visitors!
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« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2014, 08:49:04 am »

I acquired a man-faced bull Crawford 1 yesterday, the first Roman coin. It's a small thin dark corroded lightweight worn ugly coin, but genuine. It was expensive for a generic ancient bronze of this poor quality, but it certainly ticks a box for me, and might have cost a great deal more. I'll be happy to provide an image in time for hosting on the MFB site, that is if Nick could accept such an ugly coin...

I'm so excited for you, Andrew!  I would love to see the coin and add it to the website.  Please send me the pic (njmolinari@gmail.com) or post it here for the Forvm world to see!

Congratulations!

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« Reply #21 on: March 01, 2014, 09:52:51 am »

I acquired a man-faced bull Crawford 1 yesterday, the first Roman coin. It's a small thin dark corroded lightweight worn ugly coin, but genuine. It was expensive for a generic ancient bronze of this poor quality, but it certainly ticks a box for me, and might have cost a great deal more. I'll be happy to provide an image in time for hosting on the MFB site, that is if Nick could accept such an ugly coin...

Still dying to see this, Andrew!  (I'm sure others are, too)
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« Reply #22 on: March 01, 2014, 10:09:46 am »

I acquired a man-faced bull Crawford 1 yesterday, the first Roman coin. It's a small thin dark corroded lightweight worn ugly coin, but genuine. It was expensive for a generic ancient bronze of this poor quality, but it certainly ticks a box for me, and might have cost a great deal more. I'll be happy to provide an image in time for hosting on the MFB site, that is if Nick could accept such an ugly coin...

Still dying to see this, Andrew!  (I'm sure others are, too)

Received the coin Thursday, catalogued it today, and once I snap its picture I'll be sure to upload it! Meanwhile, here is the write-up I have another example of NAC's: this is NOT my coin which is not as attractive as this!!! See below for the picture

The obverse and reverse types of this coin occur on bronze litrae and half litrae of Naples, which were struck about the end of the 4th century BC. They would therefore be contemporaneous with this piece. Bahrfeldt (Riv.Ital. 1899, pp.418,419) mentions six specimens in various collections, and refers to a seventh described by Sambon (Recherches, p.133, no.7). This is the only coin of this series with the legend in Greek. Mommsen (Hist mon.rom., t.iii.p.225) has attributed this coin to Capua, and to a period soon after the subjugation of the city in 338BC, when it had not yet received its modified form of citizenship, and was not compelled officially to use the Latin language. M. Ch. Lenormant and the Baron de Witte (Rev.num.1844, p.251, Etudes sur les vases peints, p.103) have suggested another solution, and have assigned it to Naples, its issue being placed in 327BC, when the city was betrayed into the hands of the Roman consul, Q.Publilius Philo, by the chief citizens, Charilaus and Nymphius. Shortly afterwards Rome concluded an alliance with the inhabitants, the Foedus Neopolitanum, and it is at this epoch that this coin may have been struck. The name of Charilaus, ΧΑΡΙΛΕΩΣ, occurs on autonomous coins of Naples, and it may be due to him that the coin with ΡΩΜΑΙΩΝ was issued. The Greek legend is the equivalent of ROMANORVM. BMCRR 1910 edition. Roberto Russo of Numismatic Ars Classica kindly allowed me to photograph this coin.

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« Reply #23 on: March 01, 2014, 12:15:46 pm »

I acquired a man-faced bull Crawford 1 yesterday, the first Roman coin. It's a small thin dark corroded lightweight worn ugly coin, but genuine. It was expensive for a generic ancient bronze of this poor quality, but it certainly ticks a box for me, and might have cost a great deal more. I'll be happy to provide an image in time for hosting on the MFB site, that is if Nick could accept such an ugly coin...

Still dying to see this, Andrew!  (I'm sure others are, too)

Received the coin Thursday, catalogued it today, and once I snap its picture I'll be sure to upload it! Meanwhile, here is the write-up I have another example of NAC's: this is NOT my coin which is not as attractive as this!!! See below for the picture

The obverse and reverse types of this coin occur on bronze litrae and half litrae of Naples, which were struck about the end of the 4th century BC. They would therefore be contemporaneous with this piece. Bahrfeldt (Riv.Ital. 1899, pp.418,419) mentions six specimens in various collections, and refers to a seventh described by Sambon (Recherches, p.133, no.7). This is the only coin of this series with the legend in Greek. Mommsen (Hist mon.rom., t.iii.p.225) has attributed this coin to Capua, and to a period soon after the subjugation of the city in 338BC, when it had not yet received its modified form of citizenship, and was not compelled officially to use the Latin language. M. Ch. Lenormant and the Baron de Witte (Rev.num.1844, p.251, Etudes sur les vases peints, p.103) have suggested another solution, and have assigned it to Naples, its issue being placed in 327BC, when the city was betrayed into the hands of the Roman consul, Q.Publilius Philo, by the chief citizens, Charilaus and Nymphius. Shortly afterwards Rome concluded an alliance with the inhabitants, the Foedus Neopolitanum, and it is at this epoch that this coin may have been struck. The name of Charilaus, ΧΑΡΙΛΕΩΣ, occurs on autonomous coins of Naples, and it may be due to him that the coin with ΡΩΜΑΙΩΝ was issued. The Greek legend is the equivalent of ROMANORVM. BMCRR 1910 edition. Roberto Russo of Numismatic Ars Classica kindly allowed me to photograph this coin.



This post is a little gem.
Thank you Andrew!
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« Reply #24 on: March 01, 2014, 01:12:48 pm »

I agree.  I sure wish we could use it for our purposes Wink
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