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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #25 on: December 27, 2010, 10:17:30 am »
Jochen,

My suggestion:

A coin currently in a private collection should be cited as, for example:

"Coll. C. L. Clay, shown in Numismatikforum, Nov. 2010."

Coins offered online:

"Numismatik Lanz, eBay, 18 Nov. 2010" or

"Numismatik Lanz, VCoins, Nov. 2010" or

"Forvm Ancient Coins, RB48345, Dec. 2010."

A coin in a printed catalogue:

"Rauch 87.I, 8 Dec. 2010, 559."

As Pat says, "ex" should only be used to indicate FORMER owners, as for example

"Coll. C.L. Clay, ex Rauch 87.I, 8 Dec. 2010, 559, shown in FAC, Jan. 2011."

Season's greetings,

Curtis

Dear Pat!

You are right. I have used the term 'ex' in two different ways. If I have written 'ex coll. ABC' it should mean that this coin is 'in' the collection of ABC, at least in the moment I have posted it. If I have written 'ex ABC' without 'coll.' I mean that I have the pic from a seller, in whose possession the coin is - at least I hope so - who offers this coin on a platform.

Do you have a recommendation to differentiate between these two sources?

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #26 on: December 27, 2010, 11:57:40 am »
Thanks Curtis!

I will consider your suggestions.

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #27 on: December 27, 2010, 12:15:28 pm »
Of course your form of citation makes no difference whatever for Hristova and Jekov's proposed new editions of their mint monographs, if the authors continue to eliminate any reference to the source of the photos they use, as in their books so far!

But I consider this a bad mistake, and hope that Hristova and Jekov will actually correct it in future editions.
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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #28 on: December 27, 2010, 01:14:07 pm »
Of course your form of citation makes no difference whatever for Hristova and Jekov's proposed new editions of their mint monographs, if the authors continue to eliminate any reference to the source of the photos they use, as in their books so far!

But I consider this a bad mistake, and hope that Hristova and Jekov will actually correct it in future editions.

This is actually what I was thinking.  It seems more important to me to have all the coins recorded in AMNG, Ruzicka's and Mushmov's works collated and properly assigned catalogue numbers (whether there is an example to illustrate or not) than to assign precise listings for coins that have come to light in the market.

I'm all for exactness, but the basic framework of these monographs needs to be shored up if they are to be used in a scientific manner. Otherwise they should just be viewed as collector handbooks, not of the same caliber as the aforementioned works.  A thorough editing of all of them wouldn't hurt either.  It seems one may find a mistake on every page of every volume if so inclined.

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #29 on: December 27, 2010, 03:14:05 pm »
Unfortunately the nature of the books so far is, "a collection of available photographs of coins of a particular mint, primarily from online catalogues, sales, and databases, with the addition of a number of highly important private collections, all however unsourced, with descriptions of the legends and types and cross references to the excellent AMNG and the useless Mouchmov 1912."

How can one contemplate a corpus of the coins of a lower Danubian or Thracian city without access to the world's best collection of them, in Sofia's National Museum? Yet Hristova and Jekov have not had such access, through no fault of their own as I suppose. AMNG of course catalogues the complete Sofia collection as it was a century ago, but with almost no photographs, and Hristova and Jekov want only illustrated coins for their book, so have to leave Sofia out almost entirely. It's as though you wanted to write a catalogue of Anglo-Saxon coins but were denied access to the British Museum collection!

I also find it extremely regrettable that the authors have abandoned AMNG's clear and essentially chronological arrangement of the coinages, first by governors in chronological order, then by module from large to small, finally by reverse type in the conventional order, gods and goddesses-heroes and personifications-emperors-animals and objects-architectural, the small coins without governor's name coming at the end. Instead Hristova and Jekov arrange the coins of each emperor and empress primarily by reverse type, jumbling together all the different governors and the different modules. Good luck if you want to form some idea of the typological, stylistic, and denominational development of the coinage of a particular city during a particular reign!

Nonetheless, as mere collections of material, the books are highly useful, given the abysmally low quantity of illustrations in AMNG!

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #30 on: January 03, 2011, 10:29:55 am »
Nevertheless:

#24

A new die combination

Geta as Caesar, AD 198-209
AE 18, 3.1g
obv. P CEPTI -GETAC
        Bust, draped and cuirassed, bare-headed, r.
rev. MARKIANO - POLITWN
       Tripod, central foot entwined by snake, head r.
ref. a) AMNG I/1, 705
      b) Varbanov (engl.) 1116
      c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
          rev. No. 6.22.47.2-3
         obv. No. 6.22.47.1
rectororbis, E-Bay, Jan. 2011

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #31 on: January 07, 2011, 09:26:46 am »
#25

A new die combination and a rev. legend variant

Gordian III & Serapis
AE 26, 11.2g
struck under Tullius Menophilus
obv. below AVT K, M ANT GORDIANOC.AVG
       Confronting busts of Gordian III, draped and cuirassed, laureate, r., and Serapis,
       draped and wearing kalathos, l.
rev. VP MHNOFILOV - MA - RKIANOPOLI
       in r. field one below the other T / WN (WN ligate)
       Hermes nude, chlamys over l. shoulder, stg. l., holding kerykeion in l. arm and
       purse in extended r. hand
       in upper l. field E
ref. a) AMNG I/1, 1145 var. (different legend distribution on rev.)
      b) Varbanov (engl.) 1989 var.
      c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
          rev. No. 6.37.10.1 var. (different legend distribution and E in lower l. field)
          obv. e.g. No. 6.37.9.2 (Nike)
numismatiklanz, E-Bay, Jan. 2011

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2011, 05:59:19 pm »
#26

A new die combination

Elagabal, AD 218-222
AE 25, 10.11g
struck under Antonius Seleucus
obv. AVT KM AVRHLI - ANTWNEINOC
        bust, draped and cuirassed, laureate, r.
rev. VP IOVL ANT CELEVKOV MARKIANOPOLITWN (1st OV, AR and WN ligate)
       Homonoia, in long garment and himation, stg. l., holding cornucopiae in l. arm
       and patera in r. hand
ref. a) not in AMNG:
          AMNG I/1, 851 var. (different bust type)
      b) not in Varbanov (engl.)
      c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
          rev. No. 6.26.35.9
          obv. No. 6.26.36.8
coll. jgad, FAC

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #33 on: January 18, 2011, 02:32:03 pm »
#27

A new rev. legend variant

Elagabal & Julia Maesa, AD 218-222
AE 28, 13.79g, 28.34mm, 345°
struck under governor Iulius Antonius Seleucus
obv. AVT KM AVR ANTWNEINOC AVG IOVLIA MAICA AVG
        confronted busts of Elagabal, draped and cuirassed, seen from behind, laureate, r., and Julia Maesa,  draped and diademed, l.
rev. VP.IOVL.ANT.CELE - VKOV.MARKIANOPOLI / TWN
        female figure, in long chiton and himation, stg. l., holding
        cornucopiae in l. arm and two corn-ears downwards in outstretched r. hand
       (Abundantia?)
        E in l. field
ref. a) AMNG I/1, 968 (2 ex., München, Mionnet, but end of rev.-legend missed);
      b) Varbanov (engl.) 1624 (cites AMNG 968), but has the same legend breaks on rev. like
          Hristova/Jekov
      c) cf. Hristova/Jekov No.6.28.5.2 (cites AMNG 968 but has different breaks of rev.-
          legend: CE - LEVKOV and / LITWN!)
coll. Hoeft

This is #66 of Markianopolis Addenda I

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #34 on: January 18, 2011, 02:50:32 pm »
#28

A new obv. die for Elagabal

Elagabal, AD 218-222
AE 25, 8.85g, 225°
struck under governor Iulius Antonius Seleucus
obv. AVT KM AVRH - ANTWNEINOC AVG (AVG ligate)
        Head, laureate, r
rev. VP.IOVL.ANT.CELE - VKOV MARKIANOPO / LITWN (WN ligate)
       Abundantia (or Annona?) stg. frontal, head l., holding cornucipiaer in l. arm
       and grain-ears in r. hand
ref. a) AMNG  I/1, 860 (like Nr.5, Paris Mionnet),  pl. XIX, 1 (same rev. die)
      b) Varbanov (engl.) 1568 var. (without AVG)
      c) SNG Cop. 232 (both sides from same dies, Curtis Clay)
      d) not in Hristova/Jekov:
          rev. No. 6.26.5.6 var. (different legend break)
          obv. not listed
coll. Hoeft

This is #19 of Markianopolis Addenda I.

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #35 on: January 19, 2011, 04:30:32 am »
#29

A new pic for Elagabal

Elagabal, AD 218-222
AE 27, 11.56g
struck under Antonius Seleucus
obv. AVT KM AVR - ANTWNEINOC AVG (VG ligate)
       bust, laureate, r.
rev. VP IOVL ANT CELEVKOV MARKIANOPOLITWN (1st OV and WN ligate)
       Dionysos, nude, stg. l., resting with raised l. hand on thyrsos and holding in
       extended r. hand bunch of grapes
ref. a) AMNG I/1, 829
      b) Varbanov (engl.)  1513
      c) Hristova/Jekov No. 6.26.8.1 (no pic!)
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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #36 on: January 19, 2011, 06:03:53 pm »
#30

A completely new type for Elagabal

Elagabal, AD 218-222
AE 16, 2.34g, 15.81mm, 180°
obv. AVT KM AVRH - ANTWNEINOC
        Head, laureate, r.
rev. MARKIANOPOLEITWN
       Eros, nude, winged, stg. r. with crossed legs, resting with his arms on inverted
       torch, his cheek propped in his l. hand
ref. a) not in AMNG
      b) not in Varbanov (engl.)
      c) not in Hristova/Jekov
      d) not at Lawrence/Jarman
coll. Hoeft

Seems to be a completely new type

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #37 on: June 22, 2011, 08:45:10 am »
#31

A completely new type

Elagabal, AD 218-222
AE 17, 2.09g
obv. AVT KM AVR - ANTWNINOC
        Bust, draped and cuirassed, laureate, r.
rev. MARKIANOPOLITW - N
       Snake emerging from cista mystica l.
ref. a) not in AMNG
      b) not in Varbanov (engl.)
      c) not in Hristova/Jekov
          no snake left listed
     d) Pfeiffer 462 (same dies)
coll. helcaraxe, Austrian Forum

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #38 on: June 22, 2011, 08:49:03 am »
#32

An obv. variant

Elagabal, AD 218-222
AE 17, 2.32g
obv. AVT KM AUR - ANTWNEINOC (WNE ligate!)
        Head, laureate, r.
rev. MARKIANO - POLITWN
       Demeter, in long double chiton and mantle, stg.l., holding grain ears in outstretched r.
       hand and resting with raised l. hand on burning torch
ref. a) not in AMNG
       b) Varbanov (engl.) 1397 var. (has AVRH)
       c) Hristova/Jekov No. 6.26.5.9 var. (has ANTWNINOC)
      d) Pfeiffer 461 var. (has no ligation on obv. and different legend break on rev.)
coll. helcaraxe, Austrian Forum

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #39 on: June 22, 2011, 08:54:35 am »
#33

A completely new type

Severus Alexander, AD 222-235
AE 25, 9.4g
struck under Fir. Philopappus
obv. AVT KM AVR CEV - ALEZANDROC
        Bust, draped and cuirassed, seen from behind, laureate, r.
rev. VP FIR FILOPAPPOV MARKIANOPOLITW - N (PP ligate)
       Ares, in military cloak and helmeted, stg. l., resting with l. hand on inverted spear and holding with r. hand shield 
       set on ground.
ref. a) not in AMNG
       b) not in Varbanov (engl.)
       c) not in Hristova/Jekov
       d) Pfeiffer 590
coll. Hoeft

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #40 on: June 22, 2011, 09:00:16 am »
#34

A new die combination and a rev. legend variant

Elagabal & Julia, Maesa, 218-222
AE 27, 10.34g, 0°
struck under Antonius Seleucus
obv. AVT KM AVR ANTWNEINOC AVG IOVLIA MAICA AVG
        Head of Elagabal, laureate, r., and bust of Julia Maesa, draped and wearing stephane, l.
rev. VP IOVL ANT CELEUKOV MARKAINOPOLI / TWN
       Zeus, in himation, stg. l., holding in r. hand patera and resting with l. hand on sceptre
       in lower l. field E
ref. a) AMNG I/1, 936 (1 ex., Gotha)
       b) Varbanov (engl.) 1642
       c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
           rev. No. 6.28.1.1 (var. (different legend break)
           obv. e.g. No. 6.28.7.4 (Apollo)
coll. Hoeft

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #41 on: June 22, 2011, 09:20:19 am »
#35

A completely new type

Philip II & Serapis, AD 244-247
AE 27, 12.59g, 27.08, 210°
struck under Prastina Messalina
obv. M IOVLIOC FILIPPOC KAI / C[AR] AVG
       Confronted busts of Philip II, draped and cuirassed, bare-headed, r., and Serapis,      
       draped and wearing kalathos, l.
rev. VP PRACT MECCAL - EIN - OV MARKIANOPO (PR ligate)
       in r. field one below the other L / I / T / WN (WN ligate)
       Tyche in long garment and mantle, wearing kalathos, stg. l., holding cornucopiae  
       in l. arm and rudder in r. hand
ref. a) not in AMNG
      b) not in Varbanov (engl.)
      c) not in Hristova/Jekov
      d) not in Pfeiffer
      Possibly unpublished
coll. Hoeft

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #42 on: June 22, 2011, 09:30:43 am »
#36

A completely new type

Julia Mamaea, AD 222-235
AE 23 (Dreier), 8.13g, 23.41mm, 45°
obv. IOVLIA - MA[M]A[IA]
        Bust, draped and with stephane, r.
rev. MARK[I ]AN - O - POLITWN
       Artemis huntress, in short chiton and wearing boots, advancing r., chlamys waving behind, holding bow in
       extended l. hand and drawing arrow from quiver over r. shoulder; at her l. foot hound leaping r.
       in lower l. field Gamma (retrograde)
ref. a) AMNG I/1, 1086 (1 ex., St.Petersburg)
       b) Varbanov 1882 corr. (writes in error MAMMAIA), R9
       c) not in Hristova/Jekov
extremely rare, VF, nice glossy green patina

The only type for Mamaea from Markianopolis

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #43 on: June 22, 2011, 09:51:58 am »
#37

A new die combination with a new obv.

Geta as Caesar, AD 197-209
AE 15, 2.46g, 15.47mm, 195°
obv. P CEPT G - ETAC (from 2h clockwise)
        Bust, draped and cuirassed, bare-headed, r.
rev. [MAR]KIANO - POLITWN
       Asklepios, in Himation, stg. frontal, head l., l. arm akimbo, resting with r. hand on snake-staff
ref. a) not in AMNG
       b) not in Varbanov
       c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
           rev. No. 6.22.20.1
           obv. legend not listed
coll. Hoeft

unusual depiction of shoulder flaps!

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #44 on: June 22, 2011, 10:27:14 am »
#38

A new rev. type

Julia Domna, AD 193-217
AE 18, 4.04g, 17.85g, 30°
obv. IOVLIA DO - [MNA CEB]
        Bust, draped, r.
rev. MARKIANO - [POLITWN]
        Kybele, in girded double chiton and himation, wearing mural crown, enthroned l.
        in remarkable nonchalant attitude, resting with l. arm on tympanon and holding
        patera in r. hand; at both sides of throne a lion, the frontal one std.r.
ref. a) not in AMNG
       b) not in Varbanov (engl.)
       c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
           obv. No. 6.17.35.12 (same die)
coll. Hoeft

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #45 on: June 22, 2011, 10:45:36 am »
#39

A new die combination

Elagabal, AD 218-222
AE 26, 9.26g
struck under Antonius Seleucus
obv. AVT KM AVRHLI - ANTWN[EINOC]
        Head, laureate, r.
rev.  VP IOVL ANT CELEVKOV MARKIANOΠOΛITWN (1st OV and WN ligate)
        Homonoia stg. l., holding cornucopiae in l. arm and patera in r. hand
ref. not in Hristova/Jekov:
      rev. No. 6.26.36.17
      obv. No. 6.26.36.19
coll. chippi, Austrian Forum

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #46 on: June 25, 2011, 01:34:30 am »
#40 (I think a new die combination, and the reverse, at least, a new die)
I saw that the coin offered was very attractive, but with all the combinations already known of Nemesis - Dikaiosyne (Aequitas), I did not expect a new one.
From the partially preserved letters I cannot be sure whether it is Pontianus or Agrippa, though the bottoms of the letters look like  :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Gamma: :Greek_Rho: rather than  :Greek_Pi: :Greek_Omicron: :Greek_Nu:, but, on the obverse, the boy is certainly called Antoninus rather than Diadumenianos.
•• 24 06 11 AE 26 12,21g axis 7h  Marcianopolis.  Issued by (?) AgrippaMacrinus, head to r. and Diadumenian, head to l.  AVT K OPEL SEVÊ MAKR[----  ----]INOS    Rev. Nemesis-Dikaiosyne, bareheaded, stg; facing l., holding scales in her r. hand, goad/ell cradled in her l., wearing overgirt peplos, wheel at left of her feet.  In field at r. E.  VP [AGRI---- } MAR     KIANOPOLEITÔN.  The ligate AR is quite uncertain..  Pick AMNG I, 1, not listed, even if not Agrippa.
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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #47 on: June 27, 2011, 11:29:24 am »
#41

A new die combination and a rev. legend variant

Septimius Severus, AD 193-211
AE 27, 12.74g, 27.41mm, 195°
struck under governor Julius Faustinianus
obv. AV KL CEPTI - CEVHROC P
        Bust, draped and cuirassed, laureate, r.
rev. V I FAVCTINIANOV MARAKIANOPOLI(sic!) / TWN
       Homonoia, in long garment and mantle, wearing kalathos, holding in l. arm cornucopiae and in
       outstretched r. hand patera
ref. a) not in AMNG:
           cf. AMNG I/1, 569
      b) not in Varbanov (engl.):
          cf. #797 (= AMNG 569)
      c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
          rev. No. 6.14.36.1 var. (different legend break, without legend error)
          obv. e.g. No. 6.14.7.8 (Apollo, same die)
coll. Hoeft

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #48 on: June 27, 2011, 11:41:06 am »
#42

A new die combination

Septimius Severus, AD 193-211
AE 26, 9.76g, 26.26mm, 195°
struck under Iulius Faustinianus
obv. AV L CEPTI - CEVHROC
       Bust, draped and cuirassed, laureate, r.
rev. V I FAVCTINIANO - V - MARKIANOPO -LITWN
       Hades/Serapis, in himation and wearing kalathos, enthroned l., resting with raised l.  
       hand on sceptre and holding extended r. hand over three-headed Kerberos, std. l., and
       looking up to him.
ref. a) AMNG I/1, 561
      b) Varbanov (engl.) 793
      c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
          rev. No. 6.14.6.9
          obv. e.g. No. 6.14.6.4  
      d) not in Pfeiffer
coll. Hoeft

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Re: Hristova & Jekov, Markianopolis Addenda II
« Reply #49 on: June 27, 2011, 11:53:31 am »
#43

A new die combination

Elagabal, AD 218-222
AE 25, 9.06g, 25.38mm, 180°
struck under Iulius Antonius Seleucus
obv. AVT KM AVRH - ANTWNEINOC AVG (AVG ligate)
       Bust, cuirassed with scale armour, laureate, r.
rev. VP IOVL ANT CELEVKOV MARKIANOPOLITW / N (both OV ligate)
      Bonus Eventus, nude, stg. l., holding grain-ears in lowered l. hand and patera in  
      outstretched r. hand
ref. a) not in AMNG
     b) not in Varbanov (engl.)
     c) not in Hristova/Jekov:
         rev. No, 6.27.7.1 (Elagabal & Soaemias)
         obv. e.g. No, 6.26.1.1
      d) not in Pfeiffer
      possibly unpublished
coll. Hoeft

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