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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #50 on: September 26, 2012, 08:55:19 pm »
These coins are falling from the sky!

Pautalia Caracalla Caecina Largus (198-9AD) Asklepios, Hygeia and Telesphoros

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-87648

Only my second Caracalla from Pautalia. An area I would certainly like to augment.


Some notes:

Ruzicka’s obverse die #13

Ruzicka only records one example at Sophia #8221

Varbanov records the obverse legend incorrectly; leaves out epsilon in Antwneinoc.

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #51 on: October 02, 2012, 09:50:37 pm »
Arrived today from Barcelona Spain:

Pautalia Caracalla Sinnicius Clarus (202AD) Satyr

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-87790

Satyr in the manner of Praxiteles. (cf. attached) Ruzicka obv die #6

I think the obverse paired with this reverse in Varbanov is incorrect.  I have only seen that obverse die with unsigned reverse dies.  cf. attached Rauch specimen.  I think the rev depicted in Varbanov is the same image as the specimen depicted in Ruzicka. Ruzicka records the obverse legend as AVP not AV. as the Rauch specimen clearly illustrates. Varbanov rates this coin R8.

Charles Rhodes’ specimen attached for comparison.

This is the kind of high profile reverse types I rarely win.  It is much nicer in hand than the seller's harsh lighting indicated.   My scans are close to actual color.

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian coin on stamp
« Reply #52 on: October 23, 2012, 10:29:03 pm »
What?

I picked this Bulgarian stamp up on ebay that depicted a coin in my collecting focus.  Price was very nominal; the whole lot was $1! A fun diversion, if nothing else, for that price.

My attribution of coin depicted:


Septimius Severus

T. Statilius Barbarus (196-98 AD)

Ob: AV K Λ CEΠ CEVHPOC  
Laureate draped and cuirassed bust right

Rev: HΓM CTA BAPBAPOV
Ex: CEPΔUN
Asklepios in tetrastyle temple, dot (or shield) in pediment

Ruzicka 36(rev depicted IX); Hr/J 12.14.46.1 (depicted); cf. Varbanov (E) III 1947; cf. Mushmov (1926) 38 (rev depicted on Tafel VII) ; cf. Mionnet 1661; cf. Beschreibung der antiken Mϋnzen  p. 233 #3; BMC -; SNG Cop. –

The model for this stamp was probably the specimen in the National Collection at Sophia, # 6421. Both Ruzicka and Mushmov cite this  specimen.  (#36 and #38 respectfully) Three reverse dies of this type for Stat. Barbarus. Cf. Ruzicka 34-36. The reverse depicted on the stamp has the inverted omega U.  One way to distinguish all three is by the omega in the ethnic. 34 Ω; 35 w; 36 U


There seems to be some confusion in the sources regarding the obverse dies for St. Barbarus at Serdica. Not a lot of examples, but 4 or 5 distinct dies are listed in Ruzicka.  I could only find images of 2 different dies between my many sources. I need to investigate this problem further in the future.

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #53 on: October 24, 2012, 04:19:37 am »
Nice! Do you know whether this is it or are there other stamps in this series?
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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #54 on: October 24, 2012, 08:02:20 am »
I'm not sure.  I forgot to mention that all of these stamps depict coins from Serdica.  That would lead one to believe that there could be a series for some of the other cities in Thrace like Pautalia or Philippopolis.

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #55 on: December 13, 2012, 01:40:06 am »
New arrival from London GB:

Hadrianopolis Septimius Severus Sicinnius Clarus (202 AD) Asklepios

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-90746

The reverse appears to be a match with Jurukova 176.I think the obverse die may be different than the one Jurukova recorded. Maybe v113 instead of v112.

Jurukova records one example from Munich with this reverse die. p. 146-7; cast of rev depicted on Tafel xvii

Varbanov II (E) mislabels 3400 Artemis as Jurukova 176. My coin and wildwinds example maybe 3402.  Varbanov refers to a Bulgarian source I do not have.

no examples in acsearch or Beschriebung der antiken Munzen (1878)

but there is a match in Wildwinds. cf. attached

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #56 on: December 13, 2012, 03:42:20 am »
You write "Asklepios". But all other depictions from Hadrianopolis show Asklepios in himation and in his typical position. What do you think of "Apollo Iatros"?

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #57 on: December 13, 2012, 10:30:36 am »
I agree that your new coin is from the same dies as the one in Wildwinds that you also illustrate, but

a. the rev. die seems to me slightly different from Jurukova's R176. On R176, the V of KΛAPOV is closer to the head of the standing figure, and the first A of the city name starts a little farther to the left with relation to that head. But I would want to compare plaster casts of the two coins to be absolutely sure.

b. It seems to me that Jurukova's V113 is the same as her V112. She unfortunately quite often makes the mistake of assigning two different die numbers to what is in fact one and the same die!
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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #58 on: December 14, 2012, 05:53:05 pm »
   You're right Curtis, my coin cannot be Jurukova 176 which is artemis not asklepios!  If you look closely at the cast one may discern the right arm raised toward the back of the head. Sorry Varbanov, mea culpa!  So my coin and the ww coin are a variant of 177, same rev type, different die.

   As for the obverse die, you're probably right. All of the examples are so worn  it is difficult to make a distinction. There was probably only a couple of different obv dies for Septimius Severus at this city.

I haven't had an opportunity to study the coinage of Hadrianopolis as much as I would like!

I was just following the attribution in the literature Jochen, but you may very well be right.  The figure does appear nude and Asklepios usually has the himation.  Do you think the line at ankles of mine and the ww coin is the hem and the legs are just prominently depicted in the drapery?  Both specimens are very worn.  cf. attached Commodus Hadrianopolis asklepios.  Same pose less worn.  If only the high parts remained would he appear nude?

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #59 on: January 07, 2013, 06:43:28 pm »
A couple of new additions:

1. Augusta Traiana Septimius Severus T. Statilius Barbarus (196-98 AD) City Gate

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-91465

One example, not depicted, in Schönert-Geiss Dimitrov in Plovdiv (Philippopolis).
Some nice color contrasts in the rough patina.

2. Anchialos Septimius Severus T. Statilius Barbarus (196-98 AD) City Gate

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-91466

461 Has three arches on top of the gate; 461a has the colonnade.

Most of the legend is missing from the Berlin specimen recorded in AMNG II. M. Strack notes that this gap probably contained the name of Barbarus since the obverse die was a match with other coins issued under this governor.

A nice way to start the year.

JPW

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #60 on: May 17, 2013, 12:25:30 am »
A new acquisition:

Philippopolis Septimius Severus Statilius Barbarus City goddess

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-96778

seller's image

 Ex: Pecunem Auction 3 lot 164; ex: Lanz Auction 155 (10.12.2012) lot 593 unsold

Notes:

Governor misattributed by Lanz as Servilianus.
I don’t think Varbanov uses Mionnet as a reference for his third volume.   Mionnet cites Vaillant Numm grae.

Vaillant’s description:  Mulier velata more patrio insistit rupibus; quibus d. insistit spicas & papaver
From the collection of D. Foucault.  Vaillant thought the praenomen of Barbarus was Tiberius rather than Statilius.

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #61 on: July 09, 2013, 10:48:21 pm »
I've been off to a slow start this year, but I'm still plotting along with this very nice addition from Lanz in Germany.

Philippopolis Septimius Severus T. Statilius Barbarus (196-8 AD) river-god

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-98890

gray patina with a nice clear legend.

Cf. this beautiful double die match:  Lanz Auction 117 lot 865. Depicted in Varbanov III (E)

Seller's image

There is some real satisfaction to slow, patient collecting.

JPW

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #62 on: July 27, 2013, 02:50:28 am »
Arrived today from a private collector in Germany:

Pautalia Septimius Severus Sicinnius Clarus (202 AD) Artemis

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-99623

Cf. Ruzicka 769, 512 for rev type under Clarus but diff die; tau is visible on this specimen above exergue

Delta countermark in incuse triangle on obverse
Denominational countermark Δ= 4 assaria, cf. Howgego 781-788

Howego doesn't record a Δ iincuse triangle for any Thracian coins.  I also checked D. Draganov "The Countermarks of Moesia Inferior and Thracia", Klio 1991 pp. 495-509.

Shared obv die for Clarus and Largus at Pautalia; Ruzicka obv 7

Ruzicka-; Varbanov(E) II –; BMC-; SNG Cop.-; Mionnet Supp II -; acsearch -
probably unpublished

recycled seller's image

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #63 on: July 27, 2013, 10:50:26 pm »
JPW,

Very nice collection!

Doug
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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #64 on: August 06, 2013, 09:15:20 am »
Thanks Doug! 

Here's one from our host:

Pautalia Septimius Severus Caicina Largus (198-9AD) Tyche

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-100137

The price was right on this one and it is unrecorded, so I couldn't resist. (Even ugly ducklings deserve a home!)

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #65 on: January 07, 2014, 11:19:40 am »
I've been concentrating on some other pursuits, but I always try to keep my eyes peeled for a deal.
Saw this coin at the right price.

Serdica Caracalla Caecina Largus (198-99AD) Hermes

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-105513

This reverse die is not listed in the older sources.  There is an example depicted in Varbanov (E) III from the private collection  of O. Gavrailov.  The style of this obverse die is very reminiscent of Pautalia and Nikopolis ad Istrum.

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #66 on: June 13, 2014, 10:32:53 pm »
Collecting at a glacial pace...

NTL, I chanced upon this nice specimen.

Pautalia Caracalla Caecina Largus (198-9AD) Emperor and captive

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-110110

Ruzicka cites two examples: one in Munich, the other in Philippopolis.  I don't think this coin has an ultimate lunate sigma in the ethnic, as Ruzicka records.  

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #67 on: July 03, 2014, 10:26:31 pm »
A ghastly silhouette joins the fold from Hamburg Germany:

Pautalia Commodus Caecilius Servilianus (189-90AD) Hygieia

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-110585

An unrecorded reverse type.  My first Pautalia coin for Commodus.  Ruzicka only records two reverse types for this governor; Tyche and Hermes.  Varbanov adds this type: apollo cf. for obverse die.  There is some confusion in the labeling for Varbanov.  4533 (depicted)=the description 4530.sic Servilianus not Maternus.  He seems to omit an iota in the transcription  of the governor's name repeatedly as well.



CEPOYEIΛIANOY (4528, 4530)

My scan isn't quite doing justice, this coin is a little better in hand.

Obviously I'm speculating on the reverse legend as no better example is known to me.

acsearch and RPC Antonine  also drew blanks.

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #68 on: July 07, 2014, 07:51:03 pm »
Another relapse...

Hadrianopolis Commodus Julius Castus (184/185 AD) Apollo

 https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-110630

Bought for a song.

Jurukova obverse die 75

I recycled the seller's image.

JPW

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2014, 10:25:11 pm »
I'm back!

Pautalia Caracalla Caecina Largus Hera & peacock

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-111069

unpublished in the major works

from Germany; much better in hand, and in my scans (used) than the seller's images.  It's incredible how many unpublished coins from this region are still out there just waiting to be attributed.  That statement probably rings true for many provincial issues.

John Wrenn

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #70 on: August 08, 2014, 03:10:13 pm »
A big chunky bronze came from Germany today.  It was part of a 4 coin lot.

Philippopolis Antoninus Pius Governor L. Pullaienus Gargilius Antiquus (161 AD) Zeus seated

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-111248

different rev die from my other example. Letters are cut larger on this die. I cannot find full ethnic inscribed circularly in any references.

JPW

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #71 on: August 11, 2014, 10:39:03 pm »
Another whopper! Weighing in at a hefty 20.17g!

Augusta Traiana Marcus Aurelius Q. Tullius Maximus (161-169 AD)

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-111381

 From Hamburg Germany.

Schönert-Geiss obv 3; rev 8. I believe this is the most common reverse type for signed coins issued during Marcus Aurelius' reign at Augusta Traiana.  Different ob and rev dies from RPC online temp #10327. 

I bet one could differentiate more than 5 rev dies for this type with out trying too hard.  I'm going to save that task for another day; maybe in the winter!

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #72 on: August 16, 2014, 10:30:59 pm »
I've been a good run lately.  Added another from Germany; part of a 2 coin lot, attributed as Traianopolis.

Philippopolis Septimius Severus T. Statilius Barbarus (196-8 AD) Hygieia

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-111634

This unpublished type emphatically has the T(itus) praenomen engraved in the reverse legend.  cf. footnote 2 p. 43 in Stein's Romische Reichsbeamte der Provinz Thracia (1920).

Rx: HΓE T CTA BAPBAPOV  ΦIΛIΠΠOΠOΛEI
Ex: TΩN


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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #73 on: May 21, 2015, 01:50:24 am »
I've been remiss on posting coins I've added to my collection over the last few months.

Here is one that arrived from Cyprus recently.


Pautalia Antoninus Pius Gargilius Antiquus City-goddess
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-120917

coins struck under this governor at Pautalia seem to be less common than their counterparts from Philippopolis.

JPW

Last night I forgot to check RPC Antonine online, which does have 3 examples of this coin listed (temp # 3479): one from Sophia (cf. Ruzicka); one from Ashmolean Collection (must be post BMC) and a more recent specimen from HD Rauch (auction 65 10/04/00 lot 298).

attached is the coin depicted online

Ruzicka 18 appears to be a different reverse die than the Ashmolean specimen and mine, which are matches.  The ethnic is engraved in one line on the coin in the Sophia Collection

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Re: Signed Imperial Thracian Coins
« Reply #74 on: June 01, 2015, 11:18:10 pm »
Largest coin of an eight coin lot from California that I purchased back in November 2014.  The rest were junk, but I recognized this obv die as a coin of interest.

Commodus AE 25 Governor T. Suellius Marcianus (first governor during his reign ante 184 AD) Hygeiea and Asklepios

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-121139

Diff obv die from BMC specimen attached from RPC online.

I played catch-up today and scanned a few. Hopefully I'll have the time to post the rest soon...

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