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« on: July 19, 2009, 08:00:25 am »

Simon Wieland, Markus Beyeler and I have launched a new Ancient Coin Search Engine that we had been working on the last months: www.acsearch.info

It cointains more than 300'000 entries from printed auctions as well as from dealers who generously provided access to their databases. We would like to mention that Joe was one of them and express our thanks to him!

Comments are welcome.

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« Reply #1 on: July 19, 2009, 08:06:35 am »

Lars,

   Shocked Is it a frontal competition with CA?? Does it contain even more data?

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« Reply #2 on: July 19, 2009, 08:16:20 am »

Jérôme,

we first planned to launch this later this year but hurried a bit the last days. The database also cointains Forvm Ancient Coins' sold coins and current stock (with links) and another dealer's database.

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« Reply #3 on: July 19, 2009, 08:29:34 am »

Wonderful initiative! If I may give some very first impressions:
- I like how 'header' data (company/auction/lot number/...) is gathered (i.e. vs CA display)
- best display of the results (for me) are done when like CA, that is, 'without frames'. You should even spare the spaces between lots, so to add more results per page, to avoid having too many pages to scroll
- additional search criteria (by date/venue) will be very useful (I imagine that there will be possible improvements in the future ...)
- do you intend to recover other dealers data?

Bravissimo in any cases. Impressive.

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« Reply #4 on: July 19, 2009, 08:37:29 am »

Jérôme,

thank you for the suggestions! We are currently working on the left scroll list, and yes, by the time, we may also ask other dealers if we can include their databases.

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« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2009, 08:42:05 am »

Congrats! Impressive! Is a breath of fresh air after last days bad news. A question: search terms are with "AND" as default? Best regards!
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« Reply #6 on: July 19, 2009, 08:45:16 am »

A question: search terms are with "AND" as default?

It works with "+" instead of "AND", but yes, it is as default, so you don't have to write the "+". If you want to avoid a certain term, use "-".

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« Reply #7 on: July 19, 2009, 08:51:01 am »

another item on the wish list (shame on me Grin): mention of the auction fees, for example Price realized 1000 Euros + 180 Euros. That may not be simple, though the number of auction houses is not huge, but the fees may vary across time, and may depend upon the purchaser being a national or not.

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« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2009, 08:56:37 am »

What would you like to do if we find attribution errors? I have already found one, which is a typical Probus attribution error.
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« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2009, 09:05:36 am »

Martin,

a commentary function will be added soon.

Jérôme,

since auction fees vary from company to company and also change over the years, we can not include them.

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« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2009, 09:25:27 am »

I hope you have enough bandwidth to handle all the traffic your going to have in the next few days. Smiley
I love the format... even the scrolling left frame. I hope that every dealer of ancient coins out there will back your
efforts to keep this information public and free. That in and of itself would be a badge of honor to any dealer
to add alongside of "ACCG Benefactor," "ANS Member,"  ... "ACSEARCH contributor."

I hope you can hear the corporate applause of all the ancient coin collectors out there!
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« Reply #11 on: July 19, 2009, 09:50:53 am »

Lars,

  How did you manage the issue that Gatlin met (see http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=54956.msg341229;topicseen#msg341229):
"Unfortunately, the data in the CoinArchives database is not owned by me; the copyrights are held by the auction firms. Therefore, the use of this data is not simply a matter of my own choice. Great pressure has been put on me for several years by some of the data contributors, and the site model you see today is, essentially, a compromise position."

Did you just avoid to include data from auction houses exerting their copyrights?

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« Reply #12 on: July 19, 2009, 10:05:02 am »

Jérôme,

when we started the two projects (romanatic.com and acsearch.info), we requested and received permission from the auction houses to use their pictures and descriptions for non-commercial purposes, as long as we credit their companies. I can not comment the pressure that has been put to Coinarchives since I don't know what exactly happened.

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« Reply #13 on: July 19, 2009, 10:43:47 am »

Beautiful database, guys.
Thank you for yours work!
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« Reply #14 on: July 19, 2009, 11:09:25 am »

WELL DONE!
THANK YOU!
I note in one coin I checked, the annotation on price realized said "data no longer available," or something like that. Did you use links to CA?
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« Reply #15 on: July 19, 2009, 11:16:01 am »

I just made a donation. I like to think of it as a poke in the eye of the auction houses that forced the change on CoinArchives.

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« Reply #16 on: July 19, 2009, 11:24:01 am »

If it says "Unsold or unknown price", then the lot usually was unsold. If on Source, it says "no longer available", then the source can't be automatically tracked anymore. Yes, there were also links to CA.

Thank you for the positive feedback so far, and for the donations that have been made.

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« Reply #17 on: July 19, 2009, 11:41:39 am »

Fantastic job! Easy to use and quick load. Bookmarked and used twice successfully.  Grin

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« Reply #18 on: July 19, 2009, 11:51:41 am »

Tom,

we are looking into this. You probably searched ACS for CNG only, but that search excludes CNG's printed auctions. If you compare CNG's electronic auctions only with ACS' search for CNG, the difference is only 158 to 133, and that probably is because ACS includes CNG's results only up to April '09 so far.

A list of contributors will be added soon.

kishim,

we are working on a world coin version, but it won't be online before the end of the year.

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« Reply #19 on: July 19, 2009, 01:25:41 pm »

great site!
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« Reply #20 on: July 19, 2009, 01:30:35 pm »

Well done, thanks!

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« Reply #21 on: July 19, 2009, 01:51:33 pm »

It may need a little tweaking. I tried searching for an AE3 of Julian II, to get an
idea of pricing. "julian II siscia" gave me all Julians. "julian II siscia
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« Reply #22 on: July 19, 2009, 02:03:01 pm »

nicely done Lars, and thank you!

the format is wonderful... i find it both functional and user friendly.

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« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2009, 03:47:47 pm »

I'm happy to see this start of a useful site.  As it stands, the database is tiny and shares with Coin Archives a 'bias' toward high value coins since many of the contributing dealers tend to sell expensive items.   If it expands to include the more common coins and the rarities that make appearances in Forvm discussions it will be very useful.  For a collector like me, a catalog of VCoins listings would be more useful than those of Lanz and their peers.

I would look forward to the comment section and, like maridvnum, my first look turned up a matter of 'error' or at least attribution discussion.  Even the best auction catalog will have an ocassional error.  Even the most knowledgable and honest firm will ocassionally list a fake coin.  There needs to be a way to tell that the 'unsold' coin was unsold because the auction firm pulled it as a fake.  This is covered on Forvm.  It would be nice if such changes could be ammended to the database if the owners of the database agree that the change or footnote is warrented.

One way of doing this would be a Forvm style (whether or not a separate category is welcome on this Forvm is Joe's call) encouraging mention and discussion of errors, questions of reading or fake reports found in Acsearch.  Owners of this new resource could review arguments and decide if there should be any notation on the coin.  The downside I see to this is that a few hundred error corrections on lots by any one dealer might leave the impression that the dealer is not as reliable as we might wish. 

I hope the owners of this new service will feel comfortable working with the collecting  community and not just a very small list of auction houses.
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« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2009, 04:03:40 pm »

I am very pleased to see this site.  Most of the coins that I searched for  on coinarchives were the expensive and obscure ones that I normally wouldn't be able to collect..  I'm glad to see them back.  As the site expands to include regular coins, it will be even more useful.
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« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2009, 04:10:17 pm »

It would be nice if each image is opened in a separate window. Now it simply replaces the previous one and the same window. Difficult for comparing images.
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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2009, 05:21:13 pm »

I found this independently this morning.  The short url's for each coin given right above the picture are an asset.  But I'm a little puzzled.  I found the coin I desperately need to cite (html?id=65138) simply by searching mint emperor subject.  Only that search ID number differs from CA, which I printed out last year (it illustrates a Löbbecke listing, for whose specimen no image was supplied).
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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2009, 06:07:42 am »

@James: you should try the search term '"julian II" siscia' since our server ignores all single terms with two characters or less.

@Doug: thank you for the suggestions. The commentary function will be added soon and we will also consider your other propositions.

@xintaris: that should work now.

@Pat: yes, our search ID numbers are different from CA. I am sorry that we can not change that.

I would like to take the opportunity to thank the community for all the comments, the suggestions and the donations! All of this helps us a lot.

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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2009, 02:03:11 pm »

Well Done Lars et al!  I have only looked around a bit, but it seems to work well.  A search of Perga Salonina actually came up with more results than previous searches on CoinArchivesStill didn't find the coin I was looking for however LOL.

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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2009, 02:37:52 pm »

Great site, thanks for making it available

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« Reply #30 on: July 20, 2009, 03:59:35 pm »

You need to put more information on the main page concerning how to use the search engine.  Are any logical operators other than AND and NOT allowed, like OR ?  Can parentheses be used to group terms?  Is any automatic translation done, as on CoinArchives, e.g. eagle = Adler?  Any spelling variation equivalencies, such as hecte = hekte?

The restriction on search terms to three characters or more is a significant limitation.  My first search on acsearch was for a hekte with a reference of Bodenstedt Emission 36.  It is impossible to guess how Bodenstedt Emission will be abbreviated in a reference term in the coin's attribution listing, so I searched for hekte 36.  This returned every hekte in your system, and it wasn't until I read a previous post here that I figured out what was wrong.  When searching for example for an issue of Constantine X or Ptolemy VI, it again would be very nice to be able to use X or VI as a search term, as "Constantine" and "Ptolemy" both have various spellings depending on the language.

We really need a list of auction houses that provide listings to your database, and the years covered.

A promising start, though.
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« Reply #31 on: July 20, 2009, 04:04:18 pm »

I searched for sestertii of Claudius with the countermark DV and encountered the same problem (limitation to three characters).

Apart from this: excellent work!

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« Reply #32 on: July 20, 2009, 04:33:03 pm »

Will you keep it free, Lars?
It is fine to charge some, but we would like to know your future plan.
Isn't there any pressure from the data-providing auction houses to restrict the data access from non-professional collectors?
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« Reply #33 on: July 20, 2009, 10:23:02 pm »

YOUR SITE ROCKS!!!

Add some banner ads for revenue.

Feature all three of your names/sites promeniently so maybe it will drive some coin sales.

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« Reply #34 on: July 21, 2009, 12:17:08 am »

Good job you've done here, Lars, Simon and Markus.
I've been browsing Romanatic sometimes in the past months and wondering how and when it would be developped....I know now, congratulations

Jean Claude

PS : I've been happy to make a free donation (rather than a forced one  Grin)
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« Reply #35 on: July 21, 2009, 06:34:59 am »

Yes, kudos for the great archive. As I said before, the name threw me off a bit. One thing that I found the most useful about CA was not the ancients as much as the middle ages and obscure medals. I have not searched for medals but I searched for middle ages fair and found pretty good results. Thanks!
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« Reply #36 on: July 21, 2009, 10:33:41 am »

I'm happy to see this start of a useful site.  As it stands, the database is tiny and shares with Coin Archives a 'bias' toward high value coins since many of the contributing dealers tend to sell expensive items.   If it expands to include the more common coins and the rarities that make appearances in Forvm discussions it will be very useful.  For a collector like me, a catalog of VCoins listings would be more useful than those of Lanz and their peers.

I would look forward to the comment section and, like maridvnum, my first look turned up a matter of 'error' or at least attribution discussion.  Even the best auction catalog will have an ocassional error.  Even the most knowledgable and honest firm will ocassionally list a fake coin.  There needs to be a way to tell that the 'unsold' coin was unsold because the auction firm pulled it as a fake.  This is covered on Forvm.  It would be nice if such changes could be ammended to the database if the owners of the database agree that the change or footnote is warrented.

One way of doing this would be a Forvm style (whether or not a separate category is welcome on this Forvm is Joe's call) encouraging mention and discussion of errors, questions of reading or fake reports found in Acsearch.  Owners of this new resource could review arguments and decide if there should be any notation on the coin.  The downside I see to this is that a few hundred error corrections on lots by any one dealer might leave the impression that the dealer is not as reliable as we might wish. 

I hope the owners of this new service will feel comfortable working with the collecting  community and not just a very small list of auction houses.

Whilst I rarely (if ever!) have a reason to be on the other side of an issue from Doug Smith, I would keep your site just as it is. The significant downside of including a wider source of coins (such as VCoins) is that listings of lower-value coins made for quick sale are very frequently in error when it comes to descriptions of rarer varieties. Whilst the coins listed are assuredly authentic, quite frequently even basic facts such the denomination is wrong when it comes to rarer fractional varieties, and as for catalogue data.... let me not go there. Inclusion of a wider database would inevitably contaminate searches and also lead to a situation where rigorously researched items in printed catalogues are mixed with 5 minute listings, and you don't know which ones have good data. As for commoner coins, I think they will probably be dealt with at some later point in history perhaps by a VCoins sold coins function.

I would be very very wary of including a comment feature. The writers of the catalogues have years of study and decades of numismatic research under their belt. It would be a pity to see the database littered with "I don't like this coin, it looks fake to me", and might quickly lead to the auction houses witthdrawing their consents. As for moderated discussions, I don't know who acsearch.info might appoint who could moderate the expert views already expressed in a catalogue by Italo Vecchi or Curtis Clay. No, please keep it as is.

I would also be very wary of changing or interpreting data provided by auction houses for example on prices or as to the reasons a lot was unsold. It's their data and any comments thereon will necessarily be subjective.

The sole feature I would like to see is purely mechanical - the possibility of more coins listed per page.

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« Reply #37 on: July 21, 2009, 11:37:47 am »

Even the big, well established firms get their attribution completely wrong. Especially when it comes to mint attribution where the only way to tell the difference between coins is to know the stylistic differences.

I will give the following example:-



http://www.acsearch.info/record.html?id=124759

This is attributed to RIC 101, Mint of Lugdunum. It does in fact come from Siscia and is RIC 776 Bust type H. The coins have the same description but the clouds under the quadriga are a real giveaway if you know that they only occur at Siscia.

A Probus specialist in this field can tell the difference but a general numismatist might not. I do not have decades of numismatic research under my belt but I have specialised in the study of the coinage of Probus and that is the only reason I would question the attribution.

There are other such examples. So is it best to correct them, best to add a note, leaving the original attribution error or leave the entry untouched?

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« Reply #38 on: July 21, 2009, 11:53:34 am »

@tetradrachm:

- the "or"-search will be added soon, as will automatic translation and a list of providing auction houses.
- the restriction on search terms to three character is bound to a cheaper server. We may change to a more expensive one, but that all costs money and time, so please no hurry - we are quite busy these days.

@quisquam: see above.

@kishim: the search engine is, and will be, free of charge.

@Cliff: banners will be added.

@Drumax: the medieval coins are in the search engine in error. They will be moved to the new search engine for medieval coins we hope to launch somewhat later.

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« Reply #39 on: July 21, 2009, 03:56:49 pm »

The big auction houses make mistakes all the time (in fact, I have benefited from such mistakes, especially when the catalogues are wrong or confusing too!), but I have heard it said that a comments section will eventually be available on acsearch. If that's true then let's all treat it as a wiki project and make sure that everything in our own sphere of knowledge is accurate. Then it will truly become a site that belongs to everyone: poor collectors, rich collectors, scholars, and numismatists. Depending on the server size there might even be room for discussion threads attached to each coin. I have been really impressed with the detailed knowledge of Constantinian collectors here and especially on Ancients.info. Imagine what a resource we'd have if some of them could contribute to the descriptions!  Wow!

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« Reply #40 on: July 21, 2009, 05:30:05 pm »

Since in scholarly articles one needs to link to acresearch.info to give access to a picture to readers who may live where they don't have half a century of sale catalogues, it may be important that the link provide precisely the same information as the hard copy catalogue.  I just was put through the wringer updating all the links provided for those readers in a little article dealing with exceptionally rare coins.  I should be grateful, since the url given for each one is in a very small font, if it wasn't also made pale gray by eliminating every other pixel.  That may look stylish, but I got bleary-eyed even using a 4X reading glass in checking to make sure I had each one correct.  Otherwise, it's fine just as is.  Prices?  Who cares?  The coin most important for my article didn't even sell when listed last.  It ought, but it didn't.
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« Reply #41 on: July 22, 2009, 03:51:54 pm »

Even the big, well established firms get their attribution completely wrong.
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There are other such examples. So is it best to correct them, best to add a note, leaving the original attribution error or leave the entry untouched?

Regards, Martin

I prefer to leave the entry untouched. Not for the times when the cataloguer was plain wrong, but to protect against the times when alternate views are just that - alternate views. Very often there are wide ranging opinions on matters such as exact dates, what mintmark ABC stands for etc. Who is to say who is the expert? There are many places to discuss these but not on an archival entry of published material. I feel about this somewhat like I would feel if I buy a book and find "corrections" to coin attributions written throughout when in fact I just wanted the original opinion of the author. Take Estruscan coinage for example. There is a straightforward difference of views between Rutter in Historia Numorum Italy, and Vecchi in his catalogue notes for CNG (this difference is actually discussed in Rutter's HNI). I don't need anyone to "correct" Vechhi's views when I read CNG catalogues. And I don't think added notes on an online catalogue entry are the place to discuss these things. Bear in mind the original cataloguer has no way of replying, so there is maybe a 99.7% chance that any new comments are in disagreement, and a fair chance that a fair proportion of comments will be junk. Forums are not balanced, those who agree with the original material do not speak out, only those who shout "fake" or "wrong date" get published right or wrong. The archived catalogue entry is what it is, it's an historical record, and it gets damaged by allowing comments. I'm sure the auction houses would feel the same way.

I guess I am somewhat easier about being able to add unobtrusive comments but even there, given the complete inability (and probably unwillingness) of the original authors to reply I would have ground rules about not being able to shout "fake" etc. In the end though, if you govern it by rules then I think it is probably better not to allow notes, instead have a separate forum where anything can be discussed with perhaps a tag that says "this coin was discussed in forum" but otherwise the original archival entry to remain untouched.

All this is just my opinion but I guess it comes from business experience that says "don't mess with the archived record".

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« Reply #42 on: July 22, 2009, 05:37:29 pm »

Andrew is exactly right.  Any archive is an historical record in its own right, even if only of the tendency of cataloguers to say 'cippus' whenever they don't know what to call a post, and the like.
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« Reply #43 on: July 23, 2009, 04:05:19 am »

I take your point but we also have to consider that many people will use this site not as a true archive but as an attribution aid as people use Wildwinds.

Here we have a coin that could be attributed to several RIC entries that all match the description of the coin and the only way to differentiate between them is by style. Many people are not aware of this and stop at the first RIC entry that matches the description, in this case RIC 101.

In this case we end up with a simple error being compounded as people use this information as being correct as it is being directly associated with a major auction house whose authority on such matters is taken as being almost absolute. I believe that we should leave the original entry intact but to have an additional field somewhere where notes on such errors can be made. The addition of such additional information could / should be strictly controlled. Not doing so would in my opinion be an opportunity missed. Perhaps I am viewing this tool from a different perspective but I would want an online attribution aid to be as accurate as it is possible to make it. If it is intended as an archive of the catalogs then my argument holds no water but I suppose what should be done would rather depend on the intended purpose of the site.

Incidentally Wildwinds has a similar error for the same RIC entry but they have a Cyzicus unmarked coin of the same type misattributed.

The entry in question has now been removed from view in the database. I am sorry if I crossed a line somewhere in mentioning this entry.

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« Reply #44 on: July 23, 2009, 08:54:29 am »

So is it best to correct them, best to add a note, leaving the original attribution error or leave the entry untouched?

Regards,
Martin

My preference would be for it to look the the galleries, where the original entry is preserved and anyone can add comments.  Comments can be for attribution errors, tooling, praise, links to other appearances, etc.

My second choice would be to leave the original error, but have italicized bracketed comments like "[Actually, it's RIC 123 - Ed]" or "(sic)" directly following the error.
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« Reply #45 on: July 23, 2009, 10:51:30 am »

I think you need a system for correcting errors, but it shouldn't be unmoderated or set so anyone can put comments. Maybe it should be a case of contacting the firm which originally attributed it? I hope they'd be willing to own up to errors, since everyone makes them!
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« Reply #46 on: July 23, 2009, 03:15:20 pm »

Question:  Why does a search of Alexandria return nothing?
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« Reply #47 on: July 23, 2009, 03:49:57 pm »

Maybe they're working on it?
I get: Results 1-20 of 5403 for Alexandria.

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« Reply #48 on: July 23, 2009, 04:46:36 pm »

Yeah, now it works
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« Reply #49 on: April 10, 2013, 03:25:20 am »

I thought it would be worthwile to let people know that we were able to add the Gorny & Mosch (Munich, Germany) auctions from 2001 onwards (nos. 108-208) to our free database, a total of c. 60'000 ancient and 20'000 modern coins. This is an important expansion of our database, especially for ancient coins.

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« Reply #50 on: April 11, 2013, 06:18:26 am »

acsearch and mcsearch have become really fine tools for me as a collector.  I do wish there were a way to add more coverage in lower value coins than are usually sold by the houses now part of the database but I suspect time will help this as well. 

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« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2013, 12:06:56 pm »

There's a new feature called "bookmarklet" on www.acsearch.info (on the main page, right), that allows you to search for a coin from any website only be highlighting a text and without actually leaving the website or open a new window.

If you don't know what a bookmarklet is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bookmarklet
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« Reply #52 on: June 10, 2014, 12:44:59 am »

We have launched an extensive update for acsearch / mcsearch yesterday. The most obvious change is that we integrated mcsearch into acsearch, creating a single website only. The differentiation between ancient and modern coins now can be made by the filter to the right of the search box.

Further changes are:

- The design automatically adapts to the device (responsive design), making the site much more convenient to use f.e. on a Smartphone.
- Frame and List view have been merged.
- Currency can be changed (USD, EUR, CHF, GBP).
- The search engine now includes a Thesaurus, which can be expanded by users at http://www.acsearch.info/thesaurus.html
- The discussion option has been replaced by a commentary option.

To prevent the data from being illegaly downloaded by web scrapers, it is now necessary to log in to see auction results and picture enlargements.

If you have any comments, suggestions or questions, please let us know. If you find any errors, please send us an email or PM including a screenshot. We do hope you enjoy the new site!

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« Reply #53 on: June 10, 2014, 02:39:52 am »

I do like your new look site Lars, thanks for providing a quick and easy way of searching for specific coins.

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« Reply #54 on: June 10, 2014, 02:17:29 pm »

Hi Lars..

 I agree with Arados..
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« Reply #55 on: June 11, 2014, 04:56:43 am »

I like the new design, Lars.  Things work great on my PC and iPhone.

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« Reply #56 on: June 11, 2014, 07:37:14 am »

I guess I am still in the stone age....as emphasized by the fact that my Windows XP and Internet Explorer 8 are no longer accepted by acsearch.info. Windows XP cannot accept IE 9 and later. My AOL software is overlaid and dependent upon IE 8.
Soooooo, I'll have to switch back and forth to Google Chrome.
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« Reply #57 on: June 11, 2014, 08:00:35 am »

People still use Internet Explorer?
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« Reply #58 on: June 11, 2014, 10:55:28 am »

PeteB, I suggest you delete your IE8 and switch to Chrome instead. Not only because of acsearch, but also for security reasons.
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« Reply #59 on: June 11, 2014, 11:36:10 am »

Hi Xanthos:

If I delete Internet Explorer, my primary e-mail account on AOL won't work. As I wrote above, it is overlaid on IE.

And I need my hundreds (thousands?)of links therein, which cannot be mass exported to Google Chrome....which I also have installed. It is, indeed, MUCH faster than AOL/IE
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« Reply #60 on: June 11, 2014, 12:37:28 pm »

Hi Xanthos:

If I delete Internet Explorer, my primary e-mail account on AOL won't work. As I wrote above, it is overlaid on IE.

And I need my hundreds (thousands?)of links therein, which cannot be mass exported to Google Chrome....which I also have installed. It is, indeed, MUCH faster than AOL/IE
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I doubt this is true. I use my aol account very happily in IE, Chrome, Firefox and Safari, it is also set up in my Microsoft Outlook account on my PC, my Windows 8 tablet and my Windows phone. I can read all of my aol mails, including archived mails going back 15 years on any machine and in any browser.

I also think the advice re IE is rather outdated. That's a perception issue that mainly dates from older versions of IE in older versions of Windows. IE in Win8 is as robust as any browser, and after five years using nothing but Chrome, I used both interchangeably for some time and now mainly use IE as its web page rendering seems to work better and faster. For example I much prefer acsearch.info on IE than Chrome. The only proprietary bonus you get in Chrome is auto translation of web pages which I use for example with lamoneta.it, but the days when Chrome was faster, smoothr and safer than IE are in the past. At least if you are on Win8!
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« Reply #61 on: June 11, 2014, 01:47:37 pm »

Two points:
Yes. I can access AOL on Google Chrome and read e-mail, news items, etc,, but I cannot find how to access my NUMEROUS "favorite places" links on AOL 9.0 VR/IE. If you know of a way, please tell me.

AOL tech support told me I must use AOL Version 9.0 VR with Windows XP after I called them with browser proble3ms.

Second, I mentioned  that I have Windows XP with IE 8, as I mentioned, not Win 8, which has IE 9 or 10 or maybe even higher. I do not know the latest version of IE, since it  is of no use to me,. IE 8 is FAR slower than Google Chrome.

But thanks for your views.
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« Reply #62 on: June 11, 2014, 02:39:16 pm »

Hi Pete!

I have the same problem like you with Windows XP and IE 8. I was advised to use Mozilla Firefox instead to access acsearch  and all works well.

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« Reply #63 on: June 11, 2014, 03:27:20 pm »

Thanks, Jochen.
Warmest regards,
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« Reply #64 on: June 11, 2014, 03:31:54 pm »

Aha. My comments weren't very relevant given that we are talking about XP, sorry I missed that - I agree in that case one perhaps needs special measures. I'm using IE 11 on Win 8.1, and its very fast (compared to Chrome) and apparently very secure.
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« Reply #65 on: June 11, 2014, 04:16:03 pm »

Internet Explorer has serious security issues as the news media in the last few weeks recommended no longer using it,and all my techy friends quit using it a while ago for that reason
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« Reply #66 on: June 12, 2014, 03:19:25 am »

Internet Explorer has serious security issues as the news media in the last few weeks recommended no longer using it,and all my techy friends quit using it a while ago for that reason

That's what I mean by it being only a perception issue, as this was a very brief issue that was quickly fixed. A loophole was identified late April. It was fixed on 1st May, for all Windows operating systems back to XP (yes, XP was included in the fix), and reports say that there was no evidence that the loophole had actually been exploited in the short time between being highlighted and being fixed. There's a lot of news fluff about computer bugs, most of it prompted by lovers or haters of specific tech companies and often biased by perceptions formed many years or even decades ago (when Apple was bug free only because it had a tiny user base and Microsoft was thought to dominate the world with slow buggy software). Times change. For those users of XP however I would suggest they consider buying a new PC. $300 and one gets a lightning fast and secure new system. As for bookmarks and other reasons to stay with an old system, generally one can find and transfer the relevant file, but if not, one can copy and paste the website addresses into a text document manually in perhaps 30 minutes.
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That's what I mean by it being only a perception issue, as this was a very brief issue that was quickly fixed. A loophole was identified late April. It was fixed on 1st May, for all Windows operating systems back to XP (yes, XP was included in the fix), and reports say that there was no evidence that the loophole had actually been exploited in the short time between being highlighted and being fixed. There's a lot of news fluff about computer bugs, most of it prompted by lovers or haters of specific tech companies and often biased by perceptions formed many years or even decades ago (when Apple was bug free only because it had a tiny user base and Microsoft was thought to dominate the world with slow buggy software). Times change. For those users of XP however I would suggest they consider buying a new PC. $300 and one gets a lightning fast and secure new system. As for bookmarks and other reasons to stay with an old system, generally one can find and transfer the relevant file, but if not, one can copy and paste the website addresses into a text document manually in perhaps 30 minutes.

I just hate IE's interface. The toolbar takes up a third of the screen (I'm sure one can make it smaller) and I feel like every webpage I visit I get a stern warning that the site might be dangerous!  I can't imagine myself ever going back to IE, though I have to admit I haven't even thought about it in years, hence my original post.
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« Reply #68 on: June 12, 2014, 09:39:16 am »

I just hate IE's interface. The toolbar takes up a third of the screen (I'm sure one can make it smaller) and I feel like every webpage I visit I get a stern warning that the site might be dangerous!  I can't imagine myself ever going back to IE, though I have to admit I haven't even thought about it in years, hence my original post.

This no longer happens. I'm using IE11 right now and there's nothing except a discreet  thin line of bookmarks at top of screen, with three small buttons to their right to access the control functions. It basically looks like Chrome but seems to render web-pages faster and nicer. But I do understand about decades of bloat-ware that caused people to leave. I returned after many years Chroming because issues of space and rendering matter more on a space-limited PC tablet screen. I used both in parallel for months before landing on IE as the one I liked most.
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« Reply #69 on: June 09, 2015, 03:42:38 am »

In looking for analogies to my latest Octavian denarius on acsearch, I noticed, to my distress, that the search engine on acsearch equates "Octavian" with "Augustus". This is absolutely not at all helpful, as when looking for the scarcer Octavian types, the searches are inundated with hundreds, if not thousands, of irrelevant Augustus results. I don't think it's even helpful for collectors of Augustus types, as I'm sure they are all already aware that a separate search for Octavian is also a good idea. But it's positively destructive for Imperatorial searches on Octavian. A search on "Octavian Denarius" provides 14,861 results, most of which are Augustus denarii. Even narrowing the search by addition of an extra term or number doesn't help much. I searched on "Octavian 540" and got three hundred results of which only a handful were Octavian denarii. Sometimes dictionary equivalents on search engines just gives one the entire universe.

Do others have issues with this?

Lars - is it possible to remove the dictionary equivalence for Octavian and Augustus?
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« Reply #70 on: June 11, 2015, 03:47:05 pm »

I've had a similar problem, though I don't remember with which words. A way to turn off the thesaurus in the advanced options would be nice.
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Semi Workaround: octavi* denar* produces under 3000 hits
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« Reply #72 on: June 26, 2015, 08:51:23 pm »

Semi Workaround: octavi* denar* produces under 3000 hits

Thanks ... Just removing the Octavian - Augustus equivalence from the Thesaurus is the real work around needed. As I've noted it's of no real help to Imperial collectors but is very disruptive to Republican or Imperatorial collectors. "More" results ain't necessarily better, especially when "more" equates to "much less relevant".
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What I did was enter "Octavian" then "-Augustus".  The "-" removes the search for Augustus in the results.
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« Reply #74 on: August 15, 2015, 04:40:22 am »

Thank you all for pointing this out.

I've made an update to the search. You can now choose whether to use the thesaurus or not (click on the small wheel next to the search to change settings), as proposed by areich. I hope this helps.

As I am only occasionally on this forum, it would help if you send me a PM next time there is an issue Smiley

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« Reply #75 on: August 15, 2015, 12:50:24 pm »

Thank you all for pointing this out.

I've made an update to the search. You can now choose whether to use the thesaurus or not (click on the small wheel next to the search to change settings), as proposed by areich. I hope this helps.

As I am only occasionally on this forum, it would help if you send me a PM next time there is an issue Smiley

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This is very much appreciated - thank you very much.

Apart from that specific equivalence I mention, and which was pretty disruptive  (Octavian - Augustus) there are others that are merely inconvenient (onkia - uncia for example) but having an off-switch on the Thesaurus will be a great improvement.

I always appreciate how a search management are happy to incorporate these small points as we raise them.
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Sure, I am glad to help. And your feedback is always very welcome.

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