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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #100 on: October 20, 2010, 01:36:27 pm »
I founded this thread because I came across some particularly bad tooling jobs.  It has since morphed into a thread encompassing all manner of tooling - the good, the bad, and the ugly.  (I fall into the camp that there's never 'good' tooling.)

That being said, this is an educational thread, where we learn by looking at examples and discuss them.  Knowledge is power and I hope this helps all of our hobby's enthusiasts. 

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #101 on: October 20, 2010, 04:45:15 pm »
I founded this thread because I came across some particularly bad tooling jobs.  It has since morphed into a thread encompassing all manner of tooling - the good, the bad, and the ugly.  (I fall into the camp that there's never 'good' tooling.)
Just to clarify my position following my post earlier, especially after Andrew quoted me for a reason that I must admit I missed.  (sorry Andrew, I am obviously being slow tonight)
I also believe that any tooling of any coin is a bad thing, I just feel that sometimes some of the actual work involved shows a high degree of skill.  Although that doesn't alter the fact that the work itself is still unethical in my opinion.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #102 on: October 22, 2010, 05:02:20 pm »
Interesting examples Aarmale. Can an expert tell me if the busts of those Nervas have been tooled, to me it looks like it's only the reverses have been tampered with?

To me, it looks like on both the reverses are tooled, but on the auction listing for the first coin, it says only the obverse is tooled, possibly by mistake.

Compare both the first tooled Nerva coin with this one, an un-tooled coin from what looks like the same reverse die.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #103 on: October 22, 2010, 05:14:40 pm »
Top one does look at least smoothed on the reverse.

I don't think that the second coin is from the same rev. die, however.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #104 on: October 22, 2010, 05:21:20 pm »
I don't think that the second coin is from the same rev. die, however.

Its hard to tell, especially not knowing how much the coin was tooled.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #105 on: October 24, 2010, 06:25:17 pm »
Today's entry from eBay:

Commodus sestertius.

I can understand the sad look on his face. He really took a beating.

In fact, I'm not even sure what this USED to be as the obverse legend is non-existent and the reverse legend is wrong for the type!

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Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #106 on: November 01, 2010, 07:46:39 am »
Maybe this one should be referred to as 'trenching' instead of 'tooling'.


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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #107 on: November 01, 2010, 10:22:24 am »
Maybe this one should be referred to as 'trenching' instead of 'tooling'.

That's not tooling.......it's woodworm!   :o

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Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #108 on: November 03, 2010, 07:39:34 am »
This one makes me shudder.


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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #109 on: November 03, 2010, 07:51:44 am »
Where do you think it's tooled?
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #110 on: November 03, 2010, 07:57:10 am »
This one makes me shudder.



No,no,you are wrong.This is a very nice and interesting coin.
This is a babylonian imitative coin,it is not tooled.This style is typical on these.
Read here about imitations,and observe the third example given,is of the same type.
http://rg.ancients.info/owls/imitations.html

EDIT.I found this same coin,sold as an imitation.
http://www.acsearch.info/ext-record.html?id=422398

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #111 on: November 16, 2010, 02:39:57 am »
Here's a beauty I bought (I'm sorry to say) back when I was a wide eyed beginner.  I like to keep it around as a reminder.  ::)


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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #112 on: November 16, 2010, 03:01:28 am »
*shudder*
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #113 on: November 16, 2010, 10:48:31 pm »
Here's a sestertius of Claudius that's listed with an opening bid of $799.99!

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #114 on: November 17, 2010, 12:28:48 am »
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Here's a sestertius of Claudius that's listed with an opening bid of $799.99!

With that hooked nose and receding chin he looks more like Mr. Burns (which will be an appropriate moniker for someone if they buy it)  :-\

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #115 on: November 17, 2010, 03:10:41 pm »
Thought I should add this one here as well as the Fake Reports.

Sold on eBay and listed by the seller as "smoothed." It's also heavily tooled.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #116 on: November 21, 2010, 01:46:26 am »
Is it fake or tooled? That brings up the question of whether or not tooled coins should be grouped in with fakes. There is deception in both, but definitely not the same.

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #117 on: November 22, 2010, 06:26:25 pm »
Is it fake or tooled? That brings up the question of whether or not tooled coins should be grouped in with fakes. There is deception in both, but definitely not the same.

Danny,

we also discussed the Hadrian coin here:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=67258.0

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #118 on: November 23, 2010, 04:20:24 am »
Such a tooled coin may not be the same as a fake (of course it could have been a completely different coin originally) but the difference is really academic. That is the reason that tooled coins have their own category in the fake reports as they should.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #119 on: November 27, 2010, 12:15:26 pm »
Here's one.

This is a sad example of a tooled First Revolt prutah


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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #120 on: November 28, 2010, 05:16:07 pm »
But in the image that prutah doesn't look tooled at all to me.

Surely modern dies, rather than a tooled ancient original?
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #121 on: November 28, 2010, 05:28:56 pm »
The letter Shin on the obverse (9:00-10:00) and the border were probably tooled. This was confirmed by J.P. Fontanille.
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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #122 on: November 29, 2010, 12:22:20 pm »
Sometimes tooling isn't so bad.


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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #123 on: November 29, 2010, 02:39:42 pm »
Sometimes tooling isn't so bad.

If by that you mean "beyond the pale for tooled coins even," then yes, I agree  ::)

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Re: Badly Tooled Coins Here
« Reply #124 on: November 30, 2010, 04:37:18 pm »
I've never seen a quadriga of donkeys before!
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