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Author Topic: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia  (Read 123045 times)

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #250 on: May 14, 2014, 03:57:18 am »
Yes, I think you are right. Thanks

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #251 on: November 24, 2014, 09:24:10 pm »
I have an interesting Macrinus from Nicaea for which I would
like to find an obverse die match. I have searched a number
of sources, getting close but without success.

It also has a slight variant on the reverse, assuming that the
one sold at CNG a few years ago should be considered the
'norm' or known (ie: Waddington RG 547).


(enlarged here: http://walterholt.com/sagarislg.jpg)

c.28mm; 11.59g; axis 1h.

Obv: ΑΥΤ Κ Μ ΟΠΕΛ CΕΟΥΗΡ ΜΑΚΡΕΙΝΟC ΑΥΓ;
(some letters are a little obscured, so this may not be exact)

Rev: NIKAIEΩN, CAΓAPIC in exergue.
The river-god reclines as usual, but instead of his head facing to
the right, as on the other specimens, this one faces left. Instead
of holding a reed, this figure holds a boat, a feature that is also
known on some coins of Caracalla (eg: Lanz 114/506; RG 462).

Here are the two Macrinus pieces together for comparison:

As may be seen, the obverse die of the CNG specimen is close,
but not an exact match. I would be curious to find any matches.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #252 on: November 28, 2014, 11:07:03 pm »
Hello everyone,
    This is a small coin of Marcus Aurelius which may be a new variant,

15 mm 3.33 g

OBV- AVPH KAICA - Barehead, bearded bust right

REV- N-IKA-IEWN - Coiling snake with head erect right

RecGen 128 -is Aurelius as this coin, but different legend and snake, 172 is as Augustus with a similar type snake, but different bust and legend.

Isegrim list an example from the Mclean collection as Caesar, but I don't have access to this.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #253 on: November 29, 2014, 10:12:04 am »


I am curious, is there another McClean collection not covered by Grose? It is in the Fitzwilliam Museum. I tried searching both Fitzwilliam and the SNG database and I looked in Grose but did not find a coin to match your type.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #254 on: November 29, 2014, 11:42:54 am »
Dear Kurt, Charley, and Board,

Attached is the catalog reference for the McClean coin, plus the poor-quality plate taken from two different sources.  Definitely a different piece, although this variety wasn't found on RPC IV Online.  I am wondering if the RPC editors thought the youthful looking head belonged to a different emperor.

Edit:  Sorry, there were a couple of strange problems with my cropped plate images, so I finally decided to redo everything and attach whole pages instead. 


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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #255 on: November 29, 2014, 08:20:53 pm »


Thanks Mark, I must have fat fingered the page, because hey there are some Commodus coins also, but certainly the plate coin is clearly different.

Thanks

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #256 on: December 23, 2014, 02:13:59 pm »
Possibly Caracalla obverse with infant Dionysos reverse
listed in RG for Domna.
Ex Peus auct. 403 lot 617 27 April 2011 (one of 7 coins).
16.6 - 17.3 mm, 2.96g.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #257 on: December 23, 2014, 05:26:22 pm »
I agree that it's probably Caracalla, although the legend is a bit difficult to read.  I have examples of this reverse type in my photofile of Sept Sev, J Domna, and Geta.  So it stands to reason that Caracalla would have struck this type as well.  I also have a Marcus Aurelius of this type, but he's not Severan.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #258 on: December 27, 2014, 08:55:11 am »
It took some while to decipher the obverse legend.

 :reversedN: :Greek_Tau: (  :Greek_Omicron: :Greek_Nu: )  :Greek_epsilon: :Greek_Iota: :Greek_Nu: :Greek_Omicron: C  :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Upsilon_2:

The reversed N may be read as AN ligature?

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #259 on: November 16, 2015, 05:31:39 am »

Shared obverse die with 2 different reverses:

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #260 on: January 01, 2016, 06:05:38 pm »
Here is a new type for Septimius Severus.

3.09g   17 mm

OBV: CEY[HPOC] AYGOY - Laureate head right

REV: NIK[AIEWN] - Griffon Seated right with foot resting on wheel

Type apparently rare and only attested for Antoninus Pius and Commodus in RecGen/Lindgren I

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #261 on: January 22, 2016, 01:05:05 pm »
Hello! Let me show my Dionysos on panther.
The obverse is not so good, but Infant is very nice I think
2.22 gr, 15 mm, 6h

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #262 on: January 22, 2016, 02:32:54 pm »
I believe Vladimir's coin is of Geta.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #263 on: January 23, 2016, 01:15:27 pm »
A new type for Nikaia:

Bithynia, Nikaia, Septimius Severus, AD 193-211
AE 22, 8.66g, 22.2mm, 345°
obv. [...] - CEVHROC
          laureate head r.
rev. NIKAIEWN
       Tetrastayle temple with 3 figurs within; crescent in pediment
ref.: ???
Agora Auctions sale 49, Lot 49-070

Agora Coins write: The statue on the right appears to be leaning on a serpent-staff, so Aesklepios is presumed. The other two are lacking in identifying details. The medical trio of Aesklepios, Hygeia, and Telephorus is one possibility. Unpublished in standard references.

But it is really Nikaia?

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #264 on: January 23, 2016, 05:45:10 pm »
I can't be 100% certain that it's Nicaea, but the existing legend does lean that way.  What other city could it be?  The IKAEWN is fairly clear.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #265 on: January 24, 2016, 12:17:43 am »
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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #266 on: January 24, 2016, 12:21:42 am »
I do believe you are correct!  Thank you, I will update the listing now.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #267 on: February 13, 2016, 03:23:06 am »

Severus Alexander as Caesar under Elagabalus.

Bare bust draped and cuirassed seen from rear.

 :Greek_Mu:  :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Upsilon_2: :Greek_Rho:  :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Lambda: :Greek_epsilon: :Greek_Zeta: :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Nu: :Greek_Delta: :Greek_Rho: :Greek_Omicron: :GreeK_Sigma:  :Greek_Kappa: :Greek_Alpha: :Greek_Iota:

3 standards.  :Greek_Nu: :Greek_Iota:   :Greek_Kappa: :Greek_Alpha:   :Greek_Iota: :Greek_epsilon:  :Greek_Omega: :Greek_Nu: ( WN ligate)

Same dies as Wildwinds RecGen580v

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #268 on: October 26, 2016, 11:34:05 am »
This one is rare I believe - I have not seen another

Bronze. ANTWNINOC - AUGOUCTOC. Laureate and armored bust right. Rs: NIKAIEW / N. Galley with steersman in back and rowers passing over waves to the left, in the stern sits Caracalla with bowl and scepter, Serapis standing at bow with raised right hand and scepter.. BMC 74 and Plate XXXIII, 5 (Rs same dies) = RG II, pp. 458, 469 AE 30mm, 11.84 g Very rare. Green-brown patina, very fine.   Ex Lanz 2005, ex M&M

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #269 on: November 18, 2016, 01:07:40 pm »
Thanks for posting; remarkable coin! Isegrim lists just the one specimen of this type, the one in RG (= Plate LXXIX, 13); oddly Isegrim calls the bow figure Asklepios not Serapis, though the Serapis-attributes are even clearer on the RG example than on yours.
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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #270 on: November 18, 2016, 02:42:51 pm »
Hi Robert!

Your coin belongs to a series of coins from Nikaia which always show the emperor in a galley where he is welcomed by one of the local deities of Nikaia. I have a similar coin from Caracalla with the City Tyche holding the infant Dionysos: https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-22260

Struck probably on occasion of  an actual or desired visit of the emperor in 214/15 when he crossed Asia Minor on his way to the campaign against the Parthians (Curtis Clay).

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #271 on: November 18, 2016, 04:36:17 pm »
Great coins!
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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #272 on: November 25, 2016, 08:43:12 am »
More examples with discussion on an earlier thread (starting with Reply #6):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=35585.msg225657#msg225657
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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #273 on: November 18, 2018, 10:44:25 am »
Numbers 999 & 1000 of Nikaian 3- standards coin of Severus Alexander
on my picture gallery.

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edit: 640 of different variety.

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Re: Nicaean Addenda: Scarcer Finds from Nikaia, Bithynia
« Reply #274 on: February 15, 2019, 10:17:29 am »
Not unique but still without reference:

Bithynia, Nikaia, Caracalla, AD 197-218
AE 15, 2.09g, 15.47mm, 0°
obv. ANTWNINOC AVGOVC (NINO between rays of crown)
       Bust, draped and cuirassed, radiate, r.
rev. CEOVHREIA - NIKAIEWN (HR ligate)
        Prize basket with palm branch
ref. not in Mionnet, Rec. Gen., Weiser, SNG von Aulock, SNG Copenhagen, BMC, Imhoof, Jürgling
very rare, about SS

This type is listed in F+ at asiaminorcoins.com http://www.asiaminorcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=12724

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