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« on: July 27, 2007, 01:55:47 pm »

As of this morning my web site runs fine in all the browsers Sorin and I tested (not quite so in IE 6.2 for PC, but I can't test that on a Mac).  But up-to-date versions of Safari, Firefox, Opera, Netscape all bring it up alike and right.
Its inevitable title is An Art Historian's Numismatics Studies.  That means, in my opinion, proper numismatics studies done with an art historian's assests.  But its name in the address, explained on the Index page, is a personal whim, as well as a name no one else has thought of using.  The address is:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ayiyoryitika/AHNIndex/index.html
Now that I know how to do it, there will be more pages forthcoming regularly, deo volente.
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« Reply #1 on: July 27, 2007, 02:09:32 pm »

Like on that Ptolemy sit the pictures take a long time to load, the title is still 'Untitled document'
but apart from that, very nice.
On http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ayiyoryitika/singularmarcdies.html the first left-hand picture is too wide for the frame.
Will you add all your coins or just those that fit a particular topic?

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« Reply #2 on: July 27, 2007, 02:40:30 pm »

Maybe Sorin didn't intend for me to share it immediately.  Maybe you're still reading straight off the server, or something.  I leave that to Sorin.  Just this morning he sent me the news that now the Index would work (I had put it in a subfolder, wrongly!).  Pat L.
P.S. I plan to put the purely for pleasure coins in a Gallery, anything from Aegina Turtles to Whatever, coins that were initially teaching examples and now are purely hobby coins, for their own sake.
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« Reply #3 on: July 27, 2007, 05:55:52 pm »

Pat, this will become a great website.  You would make Pick proud!
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« Reply #4 on: August 06, 2007, 12:27:06 pm »

The "banner", An Art Historian's Numismatics Studies, is now in the list with the other hosted websites.
I am hard at work on the next "page", The Longinus Dies at Nicopolis ad Istrum--that's for Macrinus and Diadumenian, since all the latter are, of course, part of his father's reign.
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« Reply #5 on: August 11, 2007, 01:32:35 am »

As of this morning my web site runs fine in all the browsers . . . Now that I know how to do it, there will be more pages forthcoming regularly, deo volente.
Pat L.

Kudos, Pat!  Your site is scholarly, very interesting and a pleasure to read.  I've added it to my favorites; I know that I'll be spending quite a lot of time here, In shah Allah! Smiley.  I'm looking forward to your additions.

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« Reply #6 on: September 13, 2007, 01:52:36 pm »

I heard from Sorin this morning: The new web page, on the Longinus Dies for Macrinus and Diadumenian is 'up'.  I checked, and it is running.
It may not be technically perfect, but I'll try for that next time.  This time I learned 'left alignment' (but there's some little problem) and linking.  It may look amateurish, BUT IT WORKS.
I had to make a new Index page (the old one couldn't be modified!  It had a 'template'.), and it is up and working, too, with the link to the new article.
I thank Sorin for his getting things re-linked.  The new page, on the Pontianus and Agrippa dies at Nicopolis, is already being worked on.  It has fewer dies, too.
Then I will try to study my own work and write what I can deduce from the dies themselves.
Then...we shall see.  I am most grateful for server space (and the webmaster's managing it!) and always shall try not to abuse it.
The link to the Index that is on the Home Page is not yet updated.  I'll ask Joe about that, but first give the U.S. Navy a chance to give him a plaque thanking him for his service: Sept. 20, he said.
The new Index page is:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ayiyoryitika/ahnindex/
but it seems not to be in the Home Page listing of the site yet.*
The actual Longinus Dies page also is at:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ayiyoryitika/longinusDies.html
The Index address may look the same, but the link is different, I guess.
Pat Lawrence
P.S. whitetd already found a brand-new die.  If you find one, attach it to an e-mail and I'll put it in the Addenda folder, till I learn how to update without bothering Sorin.
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« Reply #7 on: September 13, 2007, 03:04:14 pm »

Thank you.  An impressive and interesting page. 
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« Reply #8 on: September 13, 2007, 03:36:08 pm »

I can think of no excuse for my having written "Longinus must proceed him" for "Longinus must precede him" in the first paragraph of the new page, but there it is for the world to see, committed by a one-time Latin teacher.  One can flunk Freshman English for just that egregiously illiterate error!  Yes, all my anxiety was redirected to making a page that could be mounted and run, but it is a booboo that I oughtn't to have committed even if I were dying or drunk (I don't drink, and I'm well for my age, too).  So next time I correct anyone else for anything, remember what I did.  Pat L.
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« Reply #9 on: September 14, 2007, 01:12:25 am »

Pat,

What wonderful pages - congratulations to you for all the hard work you put into them - I think it helps focus the mind by doing these sort of things yourself and I'm sure you 'learned' something during the process that you had not thought of before.  I look forward to reading the pages in detail.

I wouldn't get too annoyed about the typo - I seem to do it all the time  Roll Eyes.  It is, unfortunately too easy to make a slip up cutting and pasting and linking images with text etc -- it is alot to hold in your head when you have hundreds of images.  I was mentioning to someone else earlier how dedicated people who write books must be (and how exacting the discipline needs to be) to endlessly check and cross check things) - an editor and proof readers are probably a must (prefebably half a dozen of the latter Smiley ).

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« Reply #10 on: September 14, 2007, 02:03:30 pm »

Dear Malcolm,
Yes, I can just imagine being Curtis and having to keep track of every letter and numeral in Severan RIC!  I used to regard with similar awe J. D. Beazley's Attic Black-Figure and Attic Red-Figure Vase-Painters, the latter in the second edition three volumes of lists (and both it and the Black-Figure indexed for museums, publications, subjects, proveniences, et al., very like RIC); AMNG but for WWI would have been properly indexed, too.  Beazley, like Pick (I'm sure), did it all on slips of paper, first, then typed, then (literally) cut-and-pasted, and took final responsibility for proofreading--though as we all knew Lady Beazley helped him, worked alongside; her background, however, was artistic rather than academic.
Already my Corrigenda and Addenda folder has three for Longinus and one for Auspex; it was my intention, inspired by RPC Antonine at the Ashmolean (however small my own project is by comparison), to pull new dies and new die pairs out of the woodwork, as the saying goes.  Whether I can live long enough to account for all the specimens, as Pick tried to do and as RPC is trying to do for the Antonines, I do not know, but at least I shall have made public as much as I can, and Joe's providing the web site and my using the computer allow me both to index it and cross reference it pretty well and, above all, to illustrate those cross references.  Longinus does not always alter details in the legends, and the legends are NOT always fully preserved!
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« Reply #11 on: September 24, 2007, 02:21:22 pm »

Here is the specimen with the new reverse die that Pat mentions above.  The legend is VP CTATI LONGINO/V NIKOPOLITWN PR/O ICTRW.
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« Reply #12 on: November 01, 2007, 12:30:38 pm »

New page.
Now with even the Index updated on the Forvm Home Page (in the righthand column under hosted web sites), "The Pontianus and Agrippa Dies for Macrinus and Diadumenian at Nicopolis" is up and running, and working.
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ayiyoryitika/PontianusAgrippaDies.html
The next web page I do will not involve so many Homonoia dies!  I feel great sympathy for the men who did the often maligned c. 300 AD volumes of RIC, and my admiration for the authors of AMNG and its successor die-study monographs is unbounded.   
My thanks to Sorin and Joe.  As soon as I feel I really understand the interface of Local and Remote files, I shall undertake to keep the "Dies" pages up to date.  As it is, I did correct the egregious typo in the Longinus introduction and I added a nice coin as a footnote to the Auspex page.
Pat L.
For the moment, here is a very nice new coin (IMO) to add to the Longinus page.  Before I actually alter the latter, I want to be sure whether this is a variant reverse die of '23', so R23iii or simply better preserved specimen of R23i, exhibiting the full contents of the exergue.  It just came.
• 31 10 07 Æ26 13.41g axis 6h.  Nicopolis ad Istrum, issued by Longinus.  Macrinus, laureate, head to r.  AVT K M OPELLI SEV    MAKREINOS.  Rev. Nemesis-Dikaiosyne (scales, goad, wheel) stg. l.  VPA STA LONGINOV NIKOPOLITÔN PROS I and in exergue STRÔ.
MHb/R23iii (exergue     
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« Reply #13 on: November 19, 2007, 01:21:01 pm »

I have put up a new page.  This one has a co-author, Francis Jarman, well known as a specialist in Eros on coins.  I hope that the updated Index page will appear soon.  The specific page address will be:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ayiyoryitika/ProlegomenaEros.html
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« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2007, 03:38:40 pm »

I have gotten this far, and it shows that the files work:
file:///Users/patricialawrence/Documents/An%20Art%20Historian's%20Numismatical%20Studies/ProlegomenaEros.html
But you can see, that's not what is intended.  This is the same file as resides helplessly in the folder that Dreamweaver sent it to.
What I did is what a very old manual told me to do.  It might not work except for me, though.
Pat L.
No, I think it only works for the author of the page.
If only Sorin would tell me what he wants me to do.
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But here is the address to open it (it will come up quite slowly) 'off the server':
file:///Users/patricialawrence/Documents/An%20Art%20Historian's%20Numismatical%20Studies/ProlegomenaEros.html

It looks the same.  I just want the co-author to know that it is not a mess!  The corrections I made come up, too.
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« Reply #15 on: November 26, 2007, 12:50:10 pm »

Now working:
http://www.forumancientcoins.com/ayiyoryitika/ProlegomenaEros.html
We are working on the link from the Forvm home page, with the new link to this page.*
Pat L.
* And Joe has fixed THAT.  I have more to be grateful for on Forvm's birthday than most folks have.
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« Reply #16 on: December 06, 2007, 11:23:26 am »

Hello,

First, thank you for the Eros page, with all the effort and dedication that is evident. It brings a better understanding to more than coinage-related matters.

More specifically, the four winged Assyrian genii in Fig B brought to mind the enigmatic four winged ‘spirit’ on the reverse of one of the coins of ancient Melite. Two exemplars from CoinArchives Lot 420 and 419 are attached. The obverse of these coins is thought to be Isis or Ashtart (or Tanit) with the ear of corn. Another type of coin that appears to share the same reverse has the ‘sign of Tanit’ instead of the ear of corn (see CoinArchives lot 421).

The Assyrian genii has also been described as a “pollinator”, which in a way does accord with the Ashtart plus corn ear motif.

The four wings (4X4WD ??!!)on two unrelated? objects may not be pure coincidence.

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« Reply #17 on: December 06, 2007, 12:01:25 pm »

Greek art showing supernatural creatures and divinities abounds in the borrowed four-winged trait.  The Melite coins are a splendid example of it.  Gorgons and other awe-inspiring creatures often have four wings.  In Near and Middle Eastern art, they are not confined to the Assyrian genii--which I can easily see as pollinators, only they seem usually to carry water buckets.  Could the Melite coins show daimonia that are aspects of Tanit, much as Eros is of Aphrodite?  Not so cuddly, of course; the peninsular Greeks tended to make things more likable by human standards.
My essay on wings is only a Reader's Digest epitome of the subject; I didn't want to make it tiresome, only essential.  I'll go find the thread with more winged entities.  Pat
This thread: http://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=32048.0  (but I see you were there; I'll go find the fiercest four-wingers I can find).
The Attic Nettos Painter's are the fiercest, and about 620 BC (IMO), but the Corinthian Chimaera Painter's plate with a 'Boread' of about 580 BC has four wings.  There are four-winged creatures in the 7th century, too, and the earlier, the fiercer, generally.  This is my specialty, so I will vouch for my dating (which, of course, is based on study, not on dates written on things).
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