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« on: December 04, 2005, 06:22:07 pm »

Hi,

A couple of years ago I acquired a lead seal of Gallienus. I was wondering if anyone here knew what such a seal would've been used for, or if perhaps you could recommend a reference work that covers this sort of thing.

Obverse: GALLIENVSP.F.AVG
Reverse: blank

Thanks in advance!
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« Reply #1 on: January 24, 2006, 09:42:32 am »

Hi

This is a rare example of lead seals having obverse of roman coins. It is believed that bags of coins from mint would be sealed with these lead seals and transported to provinces, then distributed. I am writing an article on this subject and hope that you do not mind if I use this photo, it is very interesting.

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« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2006, 06:18:11 pm »

Hello Postvmvs,
That is  a glorius lead seal you have in your collection.  I have been buying a small assorted type collection and have one that feautures Constantine and his two sons.  I tried researching them and came up with little on the internet. On an England site , there were army symbols insribed in association to the legion stationed there. 
I believe they served the same as our password for our computer use. Multiple uses; such as for documents,  materials  (as metioned coin bags, army supplies, building materials (i.e. nail bags?). ect. 
Yours is clearly a very special "EL Presidente" seal and should be placed in a museum!!!
Flavius Vincento
P.S. Thanks for sharing it with us.
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« Reply #3 on: October 10, 2008, 06:21:50 am »

Hi,

I just came across this item for sale. Described as a lead seal it appears to use the same die for the Gallienus bust as the seal at the start of this topic. The size is approximately 16mm and the weight is quoted as 3.7 grammes

It is very unusual to pair Diocletian with Gallienus and I wonder about the age of the item. Anybody experienced anything similar?

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« Reply #4 on: October 11, 2008, 02:27:31 pm »

So, these stamped lumps of lead themselves would have been affixed to the bags of coins. The Gallienus can't be the seal stamp itself, because it would produce a retrograde image. (sorry if you already realized that, just thought it should be mentioned in the thread)
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2009, 04:06:38 pm »

Hi,

Closed the loop now. Sadly I've located the Gallienus die used for both of these lead seals used on a confirmed fake aureus.

The coin is published in the IBSCC Bulletin on Counterfeits BOCS Vol 18 No.2 1993 Page 15 Fig 4a and the illustration of the aureus is below.

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« Reply #6 on: January 12, 2009, 09:19:14 am »

I just noticed that the fake lead seal posted by mauseus on 10th of october ist still for sale.

Did anyone inform the seller about it? I am sure he is not selling a fake knowingly.

Kind regards and semper pax
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2009, 11:35:12 am »

I just noticed that the fake lead seal posted by mauseus on 10th of october ist still for sale.

Did anyone inform the seller about it? I am sure he is not selling a fake knowingly.

Kind regards and semper pax
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Hi,

Been away. No I hadn't informed the dealer and wasn't going to until I found the final piece of the jigsaw (the aureus). Has anybody done it in the mean time?

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« Reply #8 on: January 22, 2009, 12:58:57 am »

Hi,

I informed the dealer of the Diocletian/Gallienus seal that it was most likely a fake an pointed him to this page on Tuesday. When I looked for the item on Wednesday it had been removed.

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« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2013, 09:50:40 pm »

Fake coin reports please.
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