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Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« on: August 19, 2005, 10:14:29 am »
Hi!

Here is my newest Provincial:
AE 27, Nikopolis ad Istrum
obv. KM OPPEL ANTWN DIADOYMENIANOC
       bust draped, bareheaded, r.
rev. [YP CTATIOY] LONGI - NOY NIKOPOLITWN / PROC IC
       Artemis as huntress advancing r., holding bow and extracting arrow from quiver on back.
       Her  accompanying dog running at her feet.
VF+(?), nice green patina

This coin was attributed as RCV (old Sears) 2078 only. Anyone who does know wether this coin is listed in one of the great catalogues like Moushmov, AMNG or the like?
Also I don't know the correct rev. legend. YP CTATI is too short I think, but YP CTATIOY I couldn't find on any coin.

Any information appreciated!

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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #1 on: August 19, 2005, 10:31:42 am »
Cracking coin - I'm most envious  :D

I'll check my Lindgren etc when I get home from work tonight

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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #2 on: August 19, 2005, 10:37:32 am »
Yes, an excellent example.  AMNG 1843
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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #3 on: August 19, 2005, 03:41:25 pm »
I agree with AMNG 1843.  This is a popular reverse type and there are a number of different dies - some with breaks in the legend.  I always liked this portrait type which is a slightly older (fuller?) look than some from there so I assume it is from later during Macrinus's reign.

I hope you enjoy it as it is most excellent!

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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2005, 04:00:14 pm »
Thanks for attribution! I appreciate it! Yes, it is one of my loveliest coins.

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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2005, 06:06:50 pm »
Gorgeous coin, Jochen, congrats!
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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #6 on: August 19, 2005, 10:14:12 pm »
Not AMNG 1843, but 1844 (Gotha). 
AMNG 1844 has exactly the legends and legend breaks of Jochen's, and may be presumed to be from the same dies.  It does indeed have VP CTATIOV as Jochen was thinking, whereas 1843 has VP CTA only, no OPPEL on obv., and other differences.
Blancon List 41, 2003, 836 is from the same dies as Jochen's coin, but rev. even more off center to l. so CTATIOV is entirely off flan!
Despite the chunky portrait of Diadumenian on this coin under governor Longinus, gov. Agrippa, who also struck for Diadumenian, is apparently later, since some of his obv. dies give Macrinus a long beard, whereas Macrinus' beard is always short on the obv. dies under Longinus and Pontianus.
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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #7 on: August 20, 2005, 02:29:24 am »
I stand corrected  :-[ and am grateful for the insight into the chronology.  Additionally, Curtis's wisdom on mint study is slowly filtering through -

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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #8 on: August 20, 2005, 10:06:31 am »
Because I have started collecting Roman Provincials a short time ago and because I'm missing literature I'm reliant on the web and especially on this phantastic Forum. Thanks so much!

Only one question more: Hypatos I have found sometimes as 'magistrate' sometimes as 'governor'. Are there differences in the meaning? And what is the difference to Eparchos, which should be 'governor' too?
 
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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #9 on: August 20, 2005, 01:56:44 pm »
Hi Jochen

'Hypatos' means 'consul'. The letters neem to mean 'hypateuontos', which means 'legatus' according to Sear's GIC, consular legate, to be precise, or 'governor of consular rank', as opposed to procurators, governors of equestrian rank.

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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #10 on: August 20, 2005, 03:27:06 pm »
I think that the difference between one word and another for the man governing a region or a major city is administrative.  Consider how comparable ranks in the different branches of the armed services or titles for comparable positions in different interior security agencies may differ today.  In Moesia Inferior, for example, the hypatos was a legate (someone appointed) with consular rank.   Hypatos had long been used to translate Latin consul.
From hypatos you form a verb hypateuein, to serve or hold authority in that position; hypateuontos is the present active participle in the genitive singular of that verb; hypateuontos Longinou is a genitive absolute.  Greek, having lost the IE ablative case, uses an absolute (grammatically independent) construction in the genitive.  So it's like Longino consule, Longinus being the hypatos, when Longinus was hypatos.
That is simply what the words mean, of course.
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Re: Diadumenian Nikopolis attribution?
« Reply #11 on: August 20, 2005, 03:34:09 pm »
Pat,
      Hypateuein meant "serve as consular governor", but I do not believe the governor himself was ever called Hypatos. 
      As far as I know that word, even in Moesia, always meant the Roman office of Consul.
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