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Suspicious Diocletianus follis Antioch
« on: April 14, 2022, 03:54:25 am »
The style reminds me on the other fakes we haev discussed before and no or artificial patina/toning.
On reverse the L (at about 2 o´clock) looks like a Greek Gamma.

Legend should be POPVLI  and not POPV :Greek_Gamma: I

Not sure if there is something like at ghost line ar 11´o clock on reverse near rim or if the picture is misleading.

Other opinions and if available die matches or die links are very much appreciated!


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Re: Suspicious Diocletianus follis Antioch
« Reply #1 on: April 14, 2022, 04:22:11 am »

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Re: Suspicious Diocletianus follis Antioch
« Reply #2 on: April 14, 2022, 01:43:29 pm »
The style reminds me on the other fakes we haev discussed before and no or artificial patina/toning.

You are probably right. It is like feel of something similar.

On reverse the L (at about 2 o´clock) looks like a Greek Gamma.

Lettering is sloppy. Look at the "A" in ANT. Just reversed "V"

Not sure if there is something like at ghost line ar 11´o clock on reverse near rim or if the picture is misleading.

I also see this ghost line but we look at the same picture so we could be both deceived.
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Another forgery confirmed!
« Reply #3 on: April 14, 2022, 02:53:44 pm »
Din you are absolutely right! Congratulations on your hawk eye! I just found a coin that is a link between this reverse and the characteristic Diocletian obverse that has already appeared on coins identified as forgeries.



Funny thing is, I found this coin on my own site (there are almost 14,000 coins now, so I can't remember them all). I must have added it a long time ago and then recognized it as an engraver's error in obverse legend ("C" omitted). Now of course I will have to change that description.
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Re: Suspicious Diocletianus follis Antioch
« Reply #4 on: April 14, 2022, 04:06:22 pm »
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Göttingen has a follis with same reverse

There's something wrong with the U.Gottingen collection ... this is now at least the 4th fake from this source that has been found there.

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Re: Suspicious Diocletianus follis Antioch
« Reply #5 on: April 15, 2022, 04:49:36 am »
Thank you all for your help!!!!!

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Fake Jovian
« Reply #6 on: April 15, 2022, 04:52:14 am »
InAsta auction



Another example or already known specimen differently photographed? The given weight is slightly different: 9.13 g - 9.91 g

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Re: Suspicious Diocletianus follis Antioch
« Reply #7 on: April 16, 2022, 04:38:04 pm »
And there is another die-link.



Obverse taken from fake Diocletian posted by Dix and reverse from fake Jovian. This forger apparently shuffled his dies like a deck of cards. So be vigilant. There are probably more interesting fakes to find.
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Re: Suspicious Diocletianus follis Antioch
« Reply #8 on: July 19, 2022, 04:13:48 am »
Do we have this obverse die of Galerius Maximianus already in or database?
Same reverse die, same die flaw over the V and under the Z.
I am bidding on it, so if they will be notified I can not buy it, I have already some fakes of this serie and want to have all.

Die links and more die matches would be very much appreciated.

And I am of course always very much impressed about the knowledge and thankful for the help of our members here.

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Re: Suspicious Diocletianus follis Antioch
« Reply #9 on: July 19, 2022, 06:55:47 am »
Do we have this obverse die of Galerius Maximianus already in or database?

I have only this reverse with obverse of Diocletian. Four properly paired as ANTIOCHIA 54a and one "unlisted".

Did you notice that for this ANTIOCHIA 55b the given weight is only 6.51 g?
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Re: Suspicious Diocletianus follis Antioch
« Reply #10 on: July 19, 2022, 07:50:15 am »
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Do we have this obverse die of Galerius Maximianus already in or database?

I havn't seen that one - nice catch!

It's interesting to see the same reverse die with POPV-LI rather than POPV- :Greek_Gamma: I

This seems to be an Antioch style bust, which was previously missing (we had Alexandria busts paired with this reverse).

Presumably we'll also find this obverse paired with some of the other reverses in this "mix n match" set.

 

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