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Offline Molinari

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Bobble heads
« on: January 26, 2021, 02:25:04 pm »
Is there a specific name (in the literature or industry) for the iconography seen occasionally on Roman coins where the emperor looks like a bobble head--overzised head and tiny little arms?  I might do a survey of that iconographic style but I'm hitting a wall with my search terms!

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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #1 on: January 26, 2021, 02:30:05 pm »
Like this:

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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #2 on: January 26, 2021, 02:30:30 pm »
Good question.  Don't know if there is a specific name for it, but it happens a lot during the tetrarchy.  Licinius comes to mind

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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #3 on: January 26, 2021, 02:32:28 pm »
Here's another good one!

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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2021, 03:49:23 pm »
The medical term would be macrocephaly...so why not macrocephalic coinage !
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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2021, 05:38:16 pm »
Is there a term for mini arms though?
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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2021, 05:49:32 pm »
Robert I’m not sure if there is, but in my gallery I have a coin of Phillip II who has a very unsettling arm.


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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2021, 06:13:28 pm »
Phocomelia.
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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2021, 07:03:03 pm »
Augustisaurus ?  ;D

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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2021, 07:14:48 pm »
Heliodromus impressive you have such a sought after coin. I hear he was the last dinosaur to be a Roman Emperor! :afro:

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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2021, 08:57:51 pm »
Heliodromus impressive you have such a sought after coin. I hear he was the last dinosaur to be a Roman Emperor! :afro:

Yes, they say he was eaten by another dinosaur before he could throw his spear with those tiny hands:'(

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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #11 on: January 27, 2021, 04:41:36 am »
On the other side of the spectrum there is the "Pin Heads" of the Period joint rule of Constantine and Licinius from the Eastern mints like Heraclea for Crispus and Constantine II
https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/crispus/_heraclea_RIC_023.jpg
http://www.notinric.lechstepniewski.info/7her-22_e.html


And Cyzicus for Licinius II junior

https://www.wildwinds.com/coins/ric/licinius_II/_cyzicus_RIC_VII_11_S.jpg

I've seen a head literally just a punched mark dot!


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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #12 on: January 27, 2021, 08:15:05 am »
At some point I'd like to know when this style was first employed and if it is purely a numismatic phenomenon to incorporate specific design elements (like the branch or scroll) or if it was more artistic whimsy. It just looks so silly and I have trouble seeing how an ancient Roman would have seen it any other way.

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Re: Bobble heads
« Reply #13 on: January 27, 2021, 08:43:58 am »
To be serious, I think these tiny hands were not really a stylistic choice, but rather a practical necessity if wanting to display hands as well as the bust. The bust itself is of course the main design element and focus of the obverse, but given the desire to portray various types of martial, consular, etc busts, it becomes necessary to also display hands, and there's no room to do so in life-size proportion if the shoulder-and-up bust is occupying the bulk of the reverse.

There's also a conflict in whether to display hands in size proportional to the head or proportional to the tiny/symbolic adjuncts, such as spears, they are there to support. Life sized hands would make a spear held over the shoulder look like a toothpick, and since the hands are just there as a necessity to support the adunct, they are necessarily scaled to make it look as good as possible given the limited space.

There are exceptions of course - the more the bust tends towards half-torso rather than just shoulders-up, the more possibility there is to display hands in closer to realistic proportions relative to the head. Also if there is no adjunct - nothing being held - then there is more space for the hand itself to be better proportioned as we see in some raised hand "imperatorial gestus" busts.

See IMP T REX as an example - waist-up bust with life size hands:)

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