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Offline ebusus

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small coin with letters that seems punic
« on: January 15, 2021, 01:42:45 am »
Hello

Can you help me to ID this coin ?

diameter = 13mm
weigth = 2.37gm

I think that the letters are punic.

I tried to find without success in Cyrenaica coin...

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Re: small coin with letters that seems punic
« Reply #1 on: January 15, 2021, 05:26:07 pm »
Looks very Greek to me.

I just see an O and  :Greek_Lambda: (lambda) among four horse legs.

The strike appears to be off-centre, to the left, so hard to tell if there is another letter missing off the left side or if it was just OL??

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Re: small coin with letters that seems punic
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2021, 01:21:38 am »
hello

Thanks for your time.

I have looked on greek coins, and I think that it might be a coin from Thessaly.

The following example are given for "THESSALY, Koinon of Thessaly."

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3332526
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3343742
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=3346154

Do you think that is the correct ID ?

Is "Æ Assarion" the correct denomination according to its weight ?

Does the "letters" found on my coin match with this ?

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Re: small coin with letters that seems punic
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2021, 05:38:30 pm »
I don't think that those are the same.  Yours does not seem to have writing around the outside.  The reverse shows the rim of the die so it is clear there are no extra letters there.

But due to the similarities I wonder if it might be a city which was a member of the Koinon.  I looked up Larissa and several Olympias but no match.

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Re: small coin with letters that seems punic
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2021, 08:49:47 pm »
 :Greek_Omicron: :Greek_Lambda: looks more Greek than Punic to me. The Punic gimel commonly has a short left and long right leg, though I have seen images where the Punic gimel resembles a Greek  :Greek_Lambda: If it is Punic, then the legend reads "G'" (gimel-ayin) - no idea what it would be referring at.

If :Greek_Omicron: :Greek_Lambda: is a Greek ethnic, then the options might be limited. Ptolemaeus lists the following cities that begin with "OL": Olaphia (Arabia Felix), Olbasa (three cities), Olbia (five cities, including one in Sardinia, a Punic colony), Oleastrum (Hispania), Olenos (three cities, normally with omega), Oliaros (Antiparos, normally with omega), Oliba (Hispania), Olibera (Mesopotamia), Olicana (England), Olimacum, Olisipo (Lissabon), Olochoira (India), Olonden, Olus, Olympia, Olympos (various cities). Other possibility (in theory): Olynthus (abandoned 4th BC).

I have looked at many images, including all the ones from Calciati's Corpus Nummorum Siculorum, and though I've seen many that look similar (especially for Eryx and Entella), I haven't found a real "hit".

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Re: small coin with letters that seems punic
« Reply #5 on: January 21, 2021, 02:59:55 am »
hello

I am now looking for a coinage in spain or in africa with the neo-punic letters T<.

This is due to the horse and the helmet head and the neo-punic letters.

The problem is that I did not found a matching ID in my books or in the internet sites.

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Re: small coin with letters that seems punic
« Reply #6 on: January 27, 2021, 01:06:11 am »
Hello

I have a new ID proposal: "a Punic issue in the Greek city of Lokroi (Bruttium)."

The obverse shows the helmeted head of Ares (or maybe Athena), the reverse a horse walking right.
The letters below the horse as Λ-Ο (retrograde) for Lokroi.

During the Second Punic War, after the battle of Cannae, Lokroi was the first south Italian city that surrendered to Hannibal.
The Carthaginians immediately occupied the city and made it their main supply port, under the command of Hanno (215-212 BC),
Mago (212-208/7 BC) and finally Hannibal himself (until 205 BC).
During this time Carthaginian silver and bronze coins without ethnicon were minted in Lokris, but also, as mainly unpublished coins show, civic bronze money with ethnicon.

Here are some link to other examples
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4106178
http://www.magnagraecia.nl/coins/Bruttium_map/Locroi_map/descrLocriDan_1897.html

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Re: small coin with letters that seems punic
« Reply #7 on: January 27, 2021, 06:56:12 am »
Hi ebu,

I have an example of the coin in your second link. I have a larger and clearer photo.

Here is my example (scroll down, last coin):

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/gi_brut_locroi_pt02.htm

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Re: small coin with letters that seems punic
« Reply #8 on: January 29, 2021, 03:00:35 am »
Hello

Thanks for all your feedbacks.

I have received some concerns on the ID...

About the style (punic taw or gimel whereas a lambda greek) 
and the order of the letters (the city name "Lokroi")

when reading from right to left

:phoenician_gimel_1: (gimel or taw) :phoenician_ayin_2: (ayin)

This may means that this is not a city name but maybe a family name.

The story is therefore not finished...

Regards

Laurent.

 

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