Gordian I bust only draped?

[Flav V]

Hello, im working on Gordian I and II coins and i found those two copies:

the first seems show a shoulder without cuirass. But it can be the result of wear as we see on the rest of the coin. But the second copy in very nice condition as smooth shoulder too. Can we consider it as bad printing or wear? Or can we think about the same bust we saw on Balbinus coins (only draped seen from three quarter back).

[Flav V]

Another thing, RIC 4B describe the n°1 ''Gordian's figure is shown sometimes radiate sometimes apparently laureate''. What do you think about this? In m opinion it look more as Genius of Senate.. only laureate. I didnt saw any coin with radiate head.

[shanxi]

This is a obverse die match of your second coin:

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=5243588

In both images the cuirass area is very dark, but for this one you can see traces of the cuirass.

[antoninus1]

CNG describes the object that the figure holds as "parazonium" which is a short sword or a dagger. This object ha no similarity to a dagger, it looks rather like a staff or scepter. Also to me it looks like the genius of the senate.
And wouldn´t that make sense as the senate immediately accepted the seizure of power of the 2 Gordians?

[shanxi]

I think  "Genius of the Senate" is possible.


Even for different emperors, bearded or non bearded, young or old, the depiction is always very similar, a man with a beard.


And there is also the "Genius of the Senate" of Antoninus Pius, togate, holding branch and sceptre, and clearly inscribed GENIO SENATVS.

https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1272965



Also many seller are  writing "Genius of the Senate", e.g.

Carcalla, Genius of the Senate:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=2078619

Sometimes combined  , e.g. Volusian as Genius of the Senate:
https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7207555

[Flav V]

Nice find antoninus1 and Shanxi.

Ill therefore stay on my description ''genius of senate'' for the reverse,  

[Flav V]

I restart the subject about the draped bust only. Below another coin with smooth shoulder. Do you consider that the ''lines'' of the cuirass are on the dark part? Therefore no one can say that a bust is only draped and we can classify them as cuirassed.

the problem i have with Gordian's period is that many coins with cuirass lines visible has a large smooth part on the shoulder. Another example with the 2nd coin of this message. It look very complicate to seriously classify bust on this period.

[Callimachus]

Title of this thread: "Gordian I bust only draped?"

Quote from Flav V: "Another example with the 2nd coin of this message."

Comment: I hope you realize this 2nd coin is Gordian III and not Gordian I.

[Flav V]

Dear Callimachus,

I wrote ''Gordian's period'' to enlarge to Gordian III.... sorry i wouldnt changed the title.

This thread is following a work on Balbinus only draped bust with same orientation. I shown the coins of this thread and others to 3 specialist. The first said ''there is no only draped''... the second said its troubling and prefer dont pronounce. The 3rd wich is the highest specialist that i know in my country, agree there a only draped bust between at least one of the coins of this message.