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Miniature Lead Toys or Votive Objects from Caesarea Maritima
« on: August 06, 2020, 08:33:35 pm »
Hi, all.  Here is an interesting lead object.  Would I be correct in calling this a votive fish plate?  One of the handles is damaged which may make it look more fish-like than originally intended.  In looking for parallels, I came across the photograph below of "Toys from the Tomb of Julia Graphis of Brescello".  When I searched for "toys" in the Forum discussions it seems that most of our members think these types of objects were more likely intended for votive use, rather than playthings for children, but I am interested in all opinions.  I have a few other examples of objects similar to the ones in the photo, which I will be posting in my gallery of lead artifacts, including the chair/throne, oil lamp, "duck' shaped vessel, etc., so these were apparently a fairly common class of items, whatever their actual use may have been.  Thanks for any ideas, references, or corrections!  V-drome.

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Votive Lead Fish Plate
Greco-Roman? Eastern
1st-6th Century CE?
Miniature cast lead serving platter
with a decorative border of parallel
lines, two handles, raised lip and
base.  Pierced in antiquity.
5.25cm x 2.4cm. x 0.3cm. 12.15gm.
Surface find Caesarea Maritima, 1973
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Re: Votive Lead Fish Platter from Caesarea Maritima
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2020, 02:55:33 am »
Wow,

Interesting  +++


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Re: Votive Lead Fish Platter from Caesarea Maritima
« Reply #2 on: August 07, 2020, 04:39:14 pm »
I think it is meant to be symmetrical, but has handle damage, so the fish resemblance is purely coincidental.

Whether toy or votive I don't know.

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Re: Miniature Lead Toys or Votive Objects from Caesarea Maritima
« Reply #3 on: August 11, 2020, 06:25:10 pm »
Thank you Shawn and Joe.  I hope it is okay that I have broadened the title of this thread, so anyone is welcome to add and discuss similar objects.  Here is the Chair/Throne mentioned above, one of which is also recorded in the photo of the finds from the Roman tomb (I have also added a more detailed shot of that piece from a different angle which more clearly shows the decoration).  It took us a while to figure out what this object actually was until we turned it the right way up, and now the photo from the tomb certainly confirms it!  As always, any comments or corrections are most welcome.  Jimi.

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Miniature Lead Throne or Chair
Greco-Roman? Eastern
1st-6th Century CE?
Miniature cast lead throne or chair with a cross-hatch pattern front and back.
Perhaps a votive offering or a toy. The seat is pierced, presumably to secure a
figure, and the front of the foot area is inscribed with the letter A? An almost
microscopic fleck of gold on the back of the chair may suggest it was decoratively
gilded. Similar objects are known from Roman tombs, cf. "Toys from the Tomb
of Julia Graphis of Brescello", Musei Civici di Reggio Emilia.
3.65cm. x 2.5cm. x 1.1cm. 17.05gm.
Surface find Caesarea Maritima, 1975
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Re: Miniature Lead Toys or Votive Objects from Caesarea Maritima
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2020, 01:54:19 am »
And, a miniature hollow cast lead pitcher that I "think" is in the form of a duck (Anatidae).  Please let me know if there is any other term I should be using!  I had at first classified this with the miniature lead amphoras, but now it seems it served a different, still uncertain, function.  Any ideas are welcome.  A similar object with different decoration is seen in the photos above of the "toys" from the Roman tomb.  Thanks, again.  Jimi

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Miniature Lead Duck Pitcher
Graeco-Roman? Eastern
1st-6th Century CE?
Hollow cast miniature lead pitcher in
the form of a duck?  Raised wing-shaped
pattern on each side.  The object originally
stood on three legs, one of which is missing.
A similar object is seen in a photograph of
"Toys from the Tomb of Julia Graphis of
Brescello", Musei Civici di Reggio Emilia.
3.65cm. x 2.5cm. x 1.1cm.  17.05gm.
Surface find Caesarea Maritima, 1970
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Re: Miniature Lead Toys or Votive Objects from Caesarea Maritima
« Reply #5 on: September 18, 2020, 03:47:09 pm »
Ave!

Very cool and thanks for sharing!
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Re: Miniature Lead Toys or Votive Objects from Caesarea Maritima
« Reply #6 on: September 19, 2020, 01:21:02 am »
Thank you, Kevin.  Finding the video on the "slush casting" technique was also a real eye-opener with regard to these interesting artifacts.  I am posting the links again, here, in case anyone missed them.

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http://pbsn3.pbworks.com/w/page/67224722/Pilgrims%20Ampulla

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eyCjlAUBd7M

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Re: Miniature Lead Toys or Votive Objects from Caesarea Maritima
« Reply #7 on: September 19, 2020, 08:32:42 am »
It is a great video.  Thanks for posting.

Eye-opening how fast and simple the process is.

And of course the fact that he is melting and casting tin in his kitchen....

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