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Offline Luiz B

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Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« on: June 30, 2020, 08:54:57 am »

Hello friends 


I need help to correctly classify the reverse and reverse of this provincial currency of Augustus.


Spain - AUGUSTUS (27 B.C.-A.D. 14.) AE As - Colonia Patricia (Resello) Córdoba - 25 mm / 9,51 gr.


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Re: Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« Reply #1 on: July 01, 2020, 02:17:48 pm »
Hi LB,

The reverse of your coin is so worn that it is difficult to tell what exactly it is.

Here are my Spain, Colonia Patricia, Augustus coins:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/rp_spain_osset_pat.htm

The weight of your coin leads me to believe that it may be RPC 129, but it is so worn that I am not sure. The "PERM..." in the obverse legend of your coin matches this type. However, the reverse doesn't seem to match, or does it?

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Re: Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« Reply #2 on: July 01, 2020, 02:22:04 pm »
Hi LB,

I have a Roman Provincial, Spain, Augustus coin from a different city (Celsa) with the same countermark as your coin.

Here is my example:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/meepzorp/rp_spain_cast_dert.htm

My third coin in that page has the same countermark. The fourth coin in that page may also have the same countermark, but I am not certain.

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Re: Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« Reply #3 on: July 01, 2020, 06:20:38 pm »
Hi Meep
We are talking about the letter CR no ?
Very clear in our coins
Do you know what it can be ?
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Re: Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2020, 10:27:54 pm »
Hi LB,

Yes, the countermark is very clear on our coins. I have seen it on several Roman Provincial, Spain coins.

To me, it looks like CR. It may be CP. It may even be a monogram.

I have no idea what it is. It may be someone's initials. That is just a guess.

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Re: Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« Reply #5 on: July 02, 2020, 03:03:33 am »
Yes, it seems that this coin is from Colonia Patricia, today's Cordoba.

In an article by Robert Knapp, "The Coinage of Corduba, Colonia Patricia", Annali, Istituto Italiano di Numismatica 29 (1980), pp. 183-202, you find a discussion of this type:
https://www.academia.edu/8370834/_Coinage_of_Corduba_Colonia_Patricia_Annali_Istituto_Italiano_di_Numismatica_29_1980_183-202

On page 198 you find in footnote 57 some remarks about this countermark, standing for (surprise  :)) "Colonia PAtricia".

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Re: Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« Reply #6 on: July 02, 2020, 08:15:39 am »
Around 27 BC, Corduba receives the title of Colonia Patricia. I think CR is probably a modification for CP. with a dash, I think.

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Re: Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« Reply #7 on: July 02, 2020, 10:09:20 am »
... I think CR is probably a modification for CP. with a dash, I think. ...

The "CR" is a C and a double letter (ligature) made of P and A. In Knapp's article this is indicated by the arc over the P and the A.

You can see more examples (with the same explanation  :) ) here as numbers 105 to 107:
https://www.tesorillo.com/articulos/contramarcas/monedas2.htm
(somewhere in the middle of the page).

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Re: Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« Reply #8 on: July 02, 2020, 11:22:16 am »

On page 198 you find in footnote 57 some remarks about this countermark, standing for (surprise  :)) "Colonia PAtricia".

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Hi Alta,

I actually thought of that possibility after I posted yesterday.

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Re: Correct specification in Augustus provincial currency
« Reply #9 on: July 03, 2020, 11:42:29 am »
Super tks friends

your tips helped and contributed to my knowledge.

happy collection for you

 

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