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Offline Zenon M

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Unpublished Numerianus FIDES MILITVM
« on: February 27, 2019, 02:40:53 am »
Hallo!

Recently I was able to purchase the following coin:

obv: IMP NVMERIANVS AVG (rad., dr. and cuir. bust r.)
rev: FIDES MILITVM; in ex.: KAЄ (Fides std. l., holding two standards)

Apparently this reverse is rather common for Carinus, but not for Numerianus.
Probably somone in the mint combined an obverse die for Numerianus with a reverse die for Carinus such as

Has anyone of you seen another specimen of this type?

Zenon M.

PS. I know, the photos aren't good, but the most important details should be visible... The coin is better in hand.


Offline AMICTUS

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Re: Unpublished Numerianus FIDES MILITVM
« Reply #1 on: February 28, 2019, 01:34:13 am »
None in the  LaVenèra hoard. One in the database on Carus et sui (othila) but with a different bust (seen from rear).

Offline Zenon M

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Re: Unpublished Numerianus FIDES MILITVM
« Reply #2 on: February 28, 2019, 07:51:53 am »
Thank you very much for the information!
Different reverse dies and different busts on obverse - consequently I'm tempted to presume, that perhaps it wasn't just a "single minting error" but both coins were purposely produced.
Or maybe there were just two " minting errors"...

Zenon M.

Offline Ed D

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Re: Unpublished Numerianus FIDES MILITVM
« Reply #3 on: March 05, 2019, 02:05:15 am »
Hi Zenon hereby the coin from the Othila collection.
IMP NVMERIANVS AVG Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right. A2
FIDES MIL ITVM Fides standing left with a standard in each hand.
Rome
Numerianus
Ex. KAЄ

22mm, 3.8gr, Die 15

Probably 3th emission Aug. 283.
The reverse is common for Carinus, unique
for Numerian

Best regards,
Ed

Offline Zenon M

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Re: Unpublished Numerianus FIDES MILITVM
« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2019, 03:25:59 am »
Thank you for your answer!
I've seen this coin on http://othila-coins.com already.
However, the bust of my coin is not A2 but "radiate, cuirassed r., seen from front, folds of cloak on both shoulders".

Zenon M.

Offline AMICTUS

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Re: Unpublished Numerianus FIDES MILITVM
« Reply #5 on: March 17, 2019, 11:04:57 am »
The KAA-Z issue at Rome  is  a very well structured and coherent one, even to details,  so a voluntary production of a limited serie of abnormal coins would seem very improbable.
 
‘Minting errors’, in fact mostly explainable hybrids, are even not common during this issue : a limited number of hybrids when Carinus and Numerian were promoted to the rank of Augustus and a few hybrids with PIETAS AVGG and ORIENS AVGG for Carinus when he took over his brother’s reverses after the latter’s death. In the LaVenèra hoard only four coins of Numerian (busts A and B) have an appropriate reverse (IOVI VICTORI - taken over from Carus after his death) but marked with officina A (two of them from a single die) instead of officina B one of those attributed to Numerian.

So the two coins of Numerian (busts B and A2) with  the FIDES MILITVM reverse, normally used by Carinus, are exceptionnal errors, especially as the obverse and reverse dies are all different. Moreover during the long  lasting issue KAA-Z (end 282 to end 284) the busts A or B and A2 were not used at the same time: according to the study of the LaVenèra hoard  the first ones  were both used during September 283-January 284 and the second one (A2) during October-November 284. So this points to two separate plain ‘errors’, a mere coincidence.

 

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