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Ptolemy Keraunos AEs previously attributed to “Paroreia”
« on: December 22, 2017, 08:01:37 pm »
Can someone help me with a reference?
I see that there are AE coins now described as being struck under/for
Ptolemy Keraunos that were previously attributed to “Paroreia” in Macedonia.
Does anyone know the updated reference paper for this change in attribution?
Can you direct me towards (or email me) a copy? Thanks in advance.

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Re: Ptolemy Keraunos AEs previously attributed to “Paroreia”
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2017, 02:52:07 am »

CNG: For a discussion of this coinage, previously attributed to Macedonian Paroreia, see Y. Touratsoglou, The Coin Circulation in Ancient Macedonia (ca. 200 B.C. - 268-286 A.D.): The Hoard Evidence (Athens, 1993), p. 33, n. 4.

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Re: Ptolemy Keraunos AEs previously attributed to “Paroreia”
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2017, 06:24:13 am »
Coins with this monogram are attributed to Pyrrhos or to the late Macedonian issues during Philip V and Perseus, as this monogram often appears on bronze Macedonian cities autonomous coins. It can be seen also on some tetradrachms of Macedonia First Meris.

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Re: Ptolemy Keraunos AEs previously attributed to “Paroreia”
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2017, 07:35:10 am »
A more recent reference seems to be
S.  Psoma,  "Money  for  the Garrisons of Ptolemy Keraunos. The so-called Paroreia Coinage Reconsidered", in S. Psoma et al., "The Coins from Maroneia and the Classical City at Molyvoti", Athens, 2008.

But I don't have access to this book and haven't read this article :( .

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Re: Ptolemy Keraunos AEs previously attributed to “Paroreia”
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2017, 07:44:18 am »
I checked SNG Greece because that author's name rang a bell. Yiannis Touratsoglou was co-author of SNG Saroglos which covers Macedon. However no examples of this type in there that I could find.

Interesting however that the later published (2012) SNG Kikpe of which Touratsoglou was not an author still lists this type at 445-447 under Ptolemy Keraunos!

Despite CNG appearing to spot and adopt the reattribution per Pekka's link above, no examples appear to have been included in Handbook of Greek Coinage volume 3 (as far I could see).

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Re: Ptolemy Keraunos AEs previously attributed to “Paroreia”
« Reply #5 on: December 24, 2017, 08:48:19 pm »
Can someone help me with a reference?
I see that there are AE coins now described as being struck under/for
Ptolemy Keraunos that were previously attributed to “Paroreia” in Macedonia.
Does anyone know the updated reference paper for this change in attribution?
Can you direct me towards (or email me) a copy? Thanks in advance.

Walter Holt
Hi Walter -


Merry Christmas to everyone down under :)

Selene Psoma's article is in a book on the excavations at Maroneia - ten of these types found, some overstruck on Macedonian bronzes.

Psoma discusses all that old material about Epirus, Gaebler, Svoronos, etc. but shows the dates must be much earlier than previously assumed for 'Paroreia'.

Illustration of title page attached.  Also an excerpt about the correct dating.

FYI these coin types were included in the Ptolemaic bronze metrology study in JANS 2013.  They are precisely consistent with the 1st bronze weight standard of Ptolemaic bronze coinage and the denominations appear to be obols and hemiobols.  You can get that paper free on academia.edu.  Psoma's paper might be up there by now, too - it was published in 2008.

IMHO Psoma got it right.  Goodbye Paroreia, hello Ptolemy Keraunos.

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Re: Ptolemy Keraunos AEs previously attributed to “Paroreia”
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2017, 10:32:28 am »
Thanks to Pekka, titanusus, Altamura, and Peter, for their information and reference
links, etc. In fact, it was a CNG coin that mentioned this "recent" change that inspired
my question (in relation to an overstruck coin). As Peter says, it seems to have taken
quite a long time to have had any traction in the latest catalogues, etc. Intriguing!

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Hi Walter -
Merry Christmas to everyone down under :)

Thanks PtolemAE,
It may take a while, but I'll do my best to pass on your kind words. :)

All the best for 2018,

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Re: Ptolemy Keraunos AEs previously attributed to “Paroreia”
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2017, 11:28:56 pm »
All the best Walter,

I will suggest this thread is moved to Numism as it it will be helpful to anyone else seeking to attribute these coins and perplexed by the contradictory findings.

Peter

 

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