Antinous, Companion of Hadrian on auction

[okidoki]

Antinous, Companion of Hadrian (died AD 130)

AE Medallion, 18.09 g, Corinth.
Draped bust of Antinous right / two tiered temple. Blum. P.36; Coll. Weber 1490; coll. BCV 650. XF/VF a very attractive portrait with partial original patina! RR! 471/LGN

seems modern

[SRukke]

This one is on ACSearch. Die and flan match. I can't read the description. Can't tell but it sounds like it's not ancient.

Kölner Münzkabinett Tyll Kroha Nachfolger UG
http://www.koelner-muenzkabinett.de/

Description
Antinoos, Favorit des Hadrian, gest. 130 n. Chr.
AE-Medaillon (Korinthos) Hostilios Markellos, Hiereus tu Antinou, Vs.: Büste des Antinoos mit Chlamys n. r., Rs.: Tempelfassade mit üppigem Figurenschmuck, unten Feuer speiendes (!) Krokodil n. r. BCD 650; RPC F 268. 37.28 g. scharfer früher Guss, vz
Der Künstler des 17. Jhs. kopierte eine Vs. der Medaillon-Emission des Antinoos-Priesters Hostilius Marcellus, die dieser den Korinthern gestiftet hatte (RPC 260-264). Aus der ursprünglichen Umschrift wurde die vorliegende verballhornte Version. Das fantastische Bauwerk der Rs. ziert die Umschrift "Hadrianus erbaute (ihn)". Der Schöpfer des Bildes hat sicher die Medaille des Monogrammisten C.H.C. mit der Fassade und dem Sakramentsaltar von San Giovanni in Laterano aus dem achten Jahr von Papst Clemens VIII. auf das Heilige Jahr 1600 gesehen (I. Weber (Neuzeit), Bauten Roms auf Münzen und Medaillen, München 1973, 194, 314).

[*Alex]

Probably a fairly modern copy of a 17th century medallion. The reverse depicts the façade and the sacramental altar of San Giovanni in Laterano dating from the eighth year of Pope Clement VIII c.1600.

Alex

[okidoki]

Probably a fairly modern copy of a 17th century medallion. The reverse depicts the façade and the sacramental altar of San Giovanni in Laterano dating from the eighth year of Pope Clement VIII c.1600.

Alex

Indeed,
http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/3/268/

[Cliff]

G.Blum in his article on Antinous on page 36 under B letter reports this type amongst the fake types for Corinth developed during XVI century onwards on the base of a rare type (listed on G.Blum page 35, n.1) with the obverse with Hostilius Marcellus legend that has then been used as model for forgeries with fantasy reverse types as this one.

This is then probably a XVI century or later production. Due to the fact that this has just been erroneously sold in an Swiss auction as authentic ancient Antinous medallion for 2500 Eur, I think that it is very important in this case to add it to the fake database.

What do you think?

[Joe Sermarini]

Fake coin report please.

[Arados]

Fake report submitted.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pos=-19155

[Edward U]

I owned this coin until about 2 years ago.  I had a reputable US dealer examine/bid on it at an european auction for it about 10 years ago.

I had avidly collected antinous among other things and one day was paging through RPC online curious what ever happened with their evaluation of my collection and particularly a few specimens they had indicated were of particular interest.    You will note that  this type is condemed there.  In my review of antinous coins in RPC online i found 5 of my coins either outright condemned or somewhat indirectly questioned.  Of the 5 this was the only one I returned and ultimately got a refund.  I believe the coin ultimately went back to the european dealer but cannot be certain.  While this coin is fake according to several dealers and RPC-  i personally have not completely written off the style of the reverse as I have it on another condemned specimen of the 5 I mentioned which I happily retain as it  likely contains the first example of this reverse on an antinous and was first catalogued long long ago. 

[okidoki]

Dear Edward,

welcome to this board, i hope you will post some of your coins

[Joe Sermarini]

Probably a fairly modern copy of a 17th century medallion. The reverse depicts the façade and the sacramental altar of San Giovanni in Laterano dating from the eighth year of Pope Clement VIII c.1600.
Alex

If the reverse does depict the facade of San Giovanni in Laterano, it seems it must be modern; but it does not look much like today's San Giovanni. 

[*Alex]

Probably a fairly modern copy of a 17th century medallion. The reverse depicts the façade and the sacramental altar of San Giovanni in Laterano dating from the eighth year of Pope Clement VIII c.1600.

Alex

I cannot find now where I read that. If I am mistaken I duly apologize for the error and for misleading anyone. 

Alex.

[Cliff]

Probably a fairly modern copy of a 17th century medallion. The reverse depicts the façade and the sacramental altar of San Giovanni in Laterano dating from the eighth year of Pope Clement VIII c.1600.

Alex

I cannot find now where I read that. If I am mistaken I duly apologize for the error and for misleading anyone. 

Alex.

It's I. Weber (Neuzeit), Bauten Roms auf Münzen und Medaillen, München 1973, 194, 314 who says that.
And I agree for what it counts, it doesn't seems an ancient roman building to me.