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Numismatic and History Discussion Forums => Roman Provincial Coins Discussion Forum => Topic started by: ebusus on October 31, 2015, 11:30:31 am

Title: little coin to ID with a "Winged Caduceus"
Post by: ebusus on October 31, 2015, 11:30:31 am

hello

I need some help to get the complete ID of this coin.

1.13 gr & 13 mm

bust of a men on one side and a Winged Caduceus on the other side.

is it a "V" and a "C" closed to the Caduceus.

if yes, what is the meaning of this ?

thanks in advance,

ebusus.

Title: Re: little coin to ID with a "Winged Caduceus"
Post by: Mark Fox on October 31, 2015, 02:15:41 pm

Dear Ebusus and Board,

The following issue of Lucius Verus struck in Alexandria, Egypt, could possibly be a match to your coin:

http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/15696/

However, the imperial portrait on your piece appears to be of a laureate and draped bust.  This is not to say the RPC IV Online coin isn't also, but simply that your coin is possibly in better condition to make that judgement! 

Someone with Dattari might be able to say more.  Hope this helps.


Best regards,

Mark Fox
Michigan
 

Title: Re: little coin to ID with a "Winged Caduceus"
Post by: ebusus on October 31, 2015, 02:46:28 pm

thanks for this firs inputs

there is no picture on the intranet link you gave.

i have found the meaning of V C

VC    VIR CLARISSIMUS - The most illustrious ruler.

can it help to complete the ID of this coin ?

thanks

ebusus

Title: Re: little coin to ID with a "Winged Caduceus"
Post by: ebusus on February 22, 2021, 07:56:44 am

hello

I re-open an old post...

The following link was given but it does not lead to any picture on my side...

http://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/15696/

this should be RPC VI reference 15696...

Do you have a picture to share with this post of another link to its identification ?

I have put new pictures of the coin.

It has been ID as a lucius verus of alexandria.

I am looking for other examples and the confirmation of the RPC ID;

regards

laurent.

Title: Re: little coin to ID with a "Winged Caduceus"
Post by: Mark Fox on February 22, 2021, 01:47:15 pm

Dear Laurent and Board,

Okay, let's give this another go...

The link is dead, probably because the coin was reattributed, possibly as this Antoninus Pius issue:

https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/17067

In my original post, I claimed Dattari had recorded an example, but in the specimen list of the present coin type, we have a single piece described as residing in Athens.  The "D 6728" part is a bit hard to understand, but in researching the matter a little, it doesn't appear to be a Dattari reference, but rather a museum accession number plus the collection it was from.  Other RPC entries seem to lengthen the 'D' to "Dem." which sounds a bit like Giovanni di Demetrio:

https://www.britishmuseum.org/collection/term/AUTH223547

https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/bibliography/35

A browsing of Félix Feuardent's 1873 catalog of Demetrio's collection, however:

https://www.google.com/books/edition/Numismatique_%C3%89gypte_ancienne/ew8fAAAAMAAJ?hl=en&gbpv=1&bsq=1568

...did not turn up a match for RPC IV 17067 (temporary) (or at least one that I could find).  Therefore, to see what the Athens/Demetrio coin looks like, I would advise you to first contact RPC Online and see if they have a private image available.  If not, then you may want to contact the Epigraphic and Numismatic Museum in Athens to see if they have already published the coin in one of their SNGs (doubtful), or can provide photos of the coin for your private research.  I had contacted them some years ago for a different project, and they were quite friendly and helpful, but due to personal circumstances at the time, I was not able to complete the (little) paperwork needed to get the ball rolling.

On one final note, we should not assume my original suggestion of Alexandria is correct for the coin under study in this thread.  That said, a fresh search on RPC Online did not come up with any new promising candidates. 

Hope some of this helps a little.

   
Best regards,

Mark Fox
Michigan

Title: Re: little coin to ID with a "Winged Caduceus"
Post by: Pekka K on February 22, 2021, 02:02:00 pm

One way out is to submit your coin to RPC using the "Feedback"
button on the link above.

Pekka K

Title: Re: little coin to ID with a "Winged Caduceus"
Post by: ebusus on February 23, 2021, 12:51:53 am

hello

Thanks for these inputs, I will contact RPC online and the museum of Athena.

I will update you with the outcome...

Thanks for your support

Laurent

Title: Re: little coin to ID with a "Winged Caduceus"
Post by: okidoki on February 23, 2021, 05:50:36 am

could be COMMAGENE, Samosata
see my Hadrian Collection
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/thumbnails.php?album=5873


Pius on RPC
https://rpc.ashmus.ox.ac.uk/coins/4/9021