Author Topic: Valentinian Help Please (Read 866 times)

Pendrakon · « **on:** August 17, 2012, 03:49:45 am »

I am trying to determine the mint of this little jewel. Obverse: PDC, D N VALENTINIANVS P F AVG Reverse: SALVS REIPVBLICAE. 13mm and 1 gram. The mint mark is not clear. Very clear Chi- Rho over epsilon on left. Sear 4167 type. I have RIC but can’t find a match. Your help is appreciated. Thanks-

quadrans · « **Reply #1 on:** August 17, 2012, 03:54:33 am »

it is SIS at first look , Siscia

regards
quadrans

Pekka K · « **Reply #2 on:** August 17, 2012, 04:29:35 am »

I think it is ANTA, LRBC 2769.

Pekka K

Pendrakon · « **Reply #3 on:** August 17, 2012, 04:36:43 am »

Just now looped it again and ASIS- does not look like it fits but a ANTA could. What about the chi-rho over epsalon?

BiancasDad · « **Reply #4 on:** August 17, 2012, 08:26:48 am »

Pendrakon,

I am assuming you meant Valentinian II as this type wasn't minted for Valentinian I.

Also, I don't think the

field mark was issued at the Siscia mint.

I can't find any reference to

as a known field mark. Is it possible that what you are perceiving to be an

is actually Victory's foot?

Regards,

-Kurt

quadrans · « **Reply #5 on:** August 17, 2012, 08:37:14 am »

Hi Pendrakon if it is possibile post a higher magnification picture or higher resolution that is help to help you more.

May be the

are not

only some part of the revers picture.
regards
quadrans

quadrans · « **Reply #6 on:** August 17, 2012, 08:46:39 am »

May be your Coin are Valentinianus III.

like this

http://www.tesorillo.com/aes/140/140i.htm

but it is ROME mint

or this
http://www.tesorillo.com/aes/135/135i.htm

regards
quadrans

BiancasDad · « **Reply #7 on:** August 17, 2012, 08:56:45 am »

Quote from: quadrans on August 17, 2012, 08:46:39 am

May be your Coin are Valentinianus III.

like this

http://www.tesorillo.com/aes/140/140i.htm

but it is ROME mint

regards
quadrans

Quadrans,

I respectfully would have to disagree. The obverse legend would be incorrect. Also, Valentinian III bronze coins exhibit extremely crude designs.

-Kurt

quadrans · « **Reply #8 on:** August 17, 2012, 09:00:30 am »

Sorry Kurt I try to find only the revers typ.

but the second may be helped

http://www.tesorillo.com/aes/135/135i.htm

regards
quadrans

Pendrakon · « **Reply #9 on:** August 17, 2012, 01:05:56 pm »

Could the epsilon actuall be a foot? Looks a bit large and high- but maybe. Let me see if I can post a higher resolution scan. Thanks-

Pendrakon · « **Reply #10 on:** August 17, 2012, 06:38:26 pm »

I enjoy these late Roman mystery AE4s. I have about 50 of these that I revisit every now and then when I am bored. Before I close out this one does anyone have a good reverse showing a Chi-rho over P, Q, S, T or epsilon that they could post a scan of? Thanks for your help guys-

BiancasDad · « **Reply #11 on:** August 17, 2012, 08:20:42 pm »

Quote from: Pendrakon on August 17, 2012, 06:38:26 pm

I enjoy these late Roman mystery AE4s. I have about 50 of these that I revisit every now and then when I am bored. Before I close out this one does anyone have a good reverse showing a Chi-rho over P, Q, S, T or epsilon that they could post a scan of? Thanks for your help guys-

Pendrakon,

I don't have RIC IX and can't find a single online reference for this type being minted with any left field marking other than a plain

Does your RIC IX list any left field markings for Valentinian II other than a single

??

-Kurt

Victor C · « **Reply #12 on:** August 17, 2012, 09:54:21 pm »

Quote from: BiancasDad on August 17, 2012, 08:20:42 pm

I don't have RIC IX and can't find a single online reference for this type being minted with any left field marking other than a plain

Does your RIC IX list any left field markings for Valentinian II other than a single ??

RIC IX does not have any SALVS types for Valentininian II with a Chi-Rho in the left field and a letter under it.

Callimachus · « **Reply #13 on:** August 17, 2012, 10:59:43 pm »

I think the epsilon is really Victory's dress billowing out at the bottom.
I've posted a picture of 3 coins which show Victory's dress like this: two antoniniani of Gordian III (one from Rome, one from Antioch) and an AE2 of Decentius.

BiancasDad · « **Reply #14 on:** August 18, 2012, 03:58:19 am »

Victor, thanks for confirming the RIC listings.

Callimachus, I would have to agree with you. Thanks for posting those examples.

Cheers,

-Kurt

quadrans · « **Reply #15 on:** August 18, 2012, 04:29:43 am »

"Hi Pendrakon if it is possibile post a higher magnification picture or higher resolution that is help to help you more.

May be the are not only some part of the revers picture.
regards
quadrans"

I mentioned before

quadrans

Pendrakon · « **Reply #16 on:** August 18, 2012, 08:24:06 am »

Thanks guys- Im putting this one to bed-

Constantine IV · « **Reply #17 on:** August 18, 2012, 08:50:01 am »

This is what an AE4 of Valentinian III typically looks like...
Very crude, as Kurt stated.
Yours looks more like Valentinian II.

Legatus · « **Reply #18 on:** August 18, 2012, 10:40:57 am »

I found these on wildwinds: Sear 4167 Valentinian II AE4. D N VALENTINIANVS PF AVG, bust right / SALVS REIPVBLICAE, Victory advancing left, carrying trophy and dragging captive. http://wildwinds.com/coins/sear/s4167.html

Regards,

JW

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