Khusro II - please confirm

[Orpio]

Hi,

Could you help me find correct ID for below coin?
I can read name of king of kings: Khusro, and special wings crown - it must be Khusro II.
I suppose that this coin was strucked in Fars (letters yz - Yazd). But I have very big problem with the others inscriptions. Please help me.

Best regards,
Piotr

[tkmallon]

Cast forgery.

[Orpio]

I don't think, so. Maybe photo give such illusion. For me it isn't a cast.
I give the rest parrameters of thic coin: wt - 3,95g, diameter 29-31 mm, thk - only 1 mm.
It is very difficult to make as cast such thiny coin. I think.

[mauseus]

Hi,

Forgery tkmallon, really? Not just flat struck with the flan being so thin?

**** Edit: you just beat me to the query ****

Regards,

Mauseus

[tkmallon]

http://www.grifterrec.com/y/group_4-04/comp_4-04b.html

[Orpio]

Thanks for reply.

I checked forgeries from link and I can't find similary examples. Please notice that my coin has 1 mm thickness in the center of coin. On the borders has 0,3mm in the thinest part to 0,8 mm on the others. Do you meet such thiny cast?

Regards,
Piotr

[tkmallon]

I'm not sure what you're asking.  All of the 250+ casts of Sasanian coins in my table are: casts of Sasanian coins.  They are all the same thickness as normal Sasanian coins. In general (but not always) the weights are a bit low.  Unfortunately, I've seen some new groups with good weights.  The coin above looks, in my opinion, pretty obviously cast.  Post some other coins if from the same group/source.

[Will Hooton]

Thanks for reply.

I checked forgeries from link and I can't find similary examples. Please notice that my coin has 1 mm thickness in the center of coin. On the borders has 0,3mm in the thinest part to 0,8 mm on the others. Do you meet such thiny cast?

Regards,
Piotr

What's so unusual about that? From an engineering standpoint I can get you blast casts of planchets with tolerances of up to ± .003mm! What a marvelous technological world we live in.

[Orpio]

OK. I have following qustion: from which material are made the cast? Is it from silver, maybe from lead?

I cheked my coin (I examinated this coin by spectometer), and is made from silver (96% of Ag(!)). It means that was made from pure silver. Tommorow I will prepared full list of chemical analysis.

Regards,
Piotr

[Orpio]

The chemical composition of my coin:
Ag - 95,42%
Cu - 2,77%
Pb - 1,20%
Bi - 0,61%

Any suggestion?

Best regards,
Piotr

[bpmurphy]

Cast forgery.

I disagree unless evidence can be presented to support this claim.

The patina looks authentic as does the chrystalization.

Barry Murphy

[tkmallon]

Well, I don't have a die-identical example (YZ year 6) to compare it to, it's true. But the reverse -- with every design element appearing to be "melted" -- looks suspicious. Especially the grenetis, the middle of the altar and the date. The "crystalization" (if you mean from that chip on the obverse at 10h) seems to be a hallmark of these things; I guess from the way they are made. I've seen it on others.  I'm happy to be wrong if everyone thinks it's OK.

[Orpio]

Thanks for replies.
What do you think about chemical composition of the coin?

[tkmallon]

Thanks for replies.
What do you think about chemical composition of the coin?

I'm a little surprised there was no trace gold. The silver content is slightly low for early Khusro II but in the ballpark.

[Orpio]

OK. Maybe we remain forgery problem of this coin on the moment.

Could you help me recognize epithet of king on the obverse? What means?

Best regards,
Piotr

[tkmallon]

http://www.grifterrec.com/y/sas-exper/khII_WYHC_5_chart.jpg

[Orpio]

Thanks again! Sorry, I didn't notice this link on your page.

Regards,
Piotr