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Offline Abu Galyon

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Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« on: October 17, 2009, 01:17:38 pm »
Weight 2.4g; diameter 12.5mm
Sear 111? Or Sear 240?
Can one tell them apart when the obverse inscription is not legible?
On the SB111 Wildwinds page it looks as though there's something (the spirit of the River Orontes?) playing at Tyche's feet. Sear doesn't mention that. And it's hard to tell whether or not that's present on this reverse. Help appreciated.

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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #1 on: October 18, 2009, 01:48:55 am »
DOC only mentions the river god Orontes on the Justin I variety and it is not mentioned In DOC 205/sear 24O Justinian I. I would be curious about examples.
 Here is one attributed to Sear 111 but the river spirit is not evident, I wonder if I should reattribute to 240?

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/albums/userpics/18654/DSC_0009a.jpg

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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #2 on: October 18, 2009, 03:23:28 am »
Here are two very good examples of Sear 111. Where is the river God? Can you tell?
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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #3 on: October 18, 2009, 03:33:42 am »
Maybe this ???
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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #4 on: October 18, 2009, 11:24:00 pm »
hmmmm I was thinking of this here :-\

do you have a example of any sb 240 without the river god?

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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #5 on: October 19, 2009, 01:25:38 am »
A verified example of Sear 240 (with clear inscription) is rare.
I do not have one.
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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #6 on: October 19, 2009, 05:34:10 am »
S.240
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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #7 on: October 19, 2009, 11:04:42 am »
Quote from: Orthodoxcoins on October 19, 2009, 05:34:10 am
S.240


And a lovely coin it is! May I just ask (because I can't see it very well in the scan) what is the bit of the coin just below the  :reversedepsilon: that I've outlined in red: something Tyche is holding, or part of the seating, or a libation being poured, or what? I ask because there seems to be something similar on my reverse.

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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #8 on: October 19, 2009, 03:06:50 pm »
A palm twig, I think.
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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #9 on: October 19, 2009, 03:24:09 pm »
What is being shown here is the famous Tyche of Antioch,  made by Eutychides of Sikyon ca. 300BC, and noted as still being one of the famous attractions of the city even under Justinian.  I think the only pagan motif on Byzantine coinage.  Here are two (of the very, very, very many) earlier depictions of the statue, that show much more detail, a reverse of Trajan and a coin of Trebonianus Gallus that shows her in a portable shrine (you can see the carrying poles).  Must have been quite a load!  Cheers, George Spradling
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Re: Tyche Pentanummium ID request
« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2009, 06:10:56 am »
Quote from: Orthodoxcoins on October 19, 2009, 03:06:50 pm
A palm twig, I think.

I came across this picture, which is of a Roman marble copy preserved in the Vatican Museum of Eutychides' original bronze Tyche of Antioch statue. That makes it clear she is holding ears of corn (grain). And the poor Spirit of the Orontes looks a bit down-trodden, don't you think?

One's first reaction is that the appearance of Tyche on a sixth-century coin is a very curious survival of pagan iconography. But maybe in Antioch by the time of Justinian the Tyche statue was no longer thought of as a religious artefact, but merely as a tourist attraction (like the Serpent Column in Constantinople's Hippodrome).

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