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Offline Mark J2

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Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« on: August 18, 2021, 01:48:34 pm »
Thanks for all your input folks!!!!
So working on my super sluth skills here.... one 1/16 shekel compared to one half shekel.
I believe one of these coins is REAL and one FAKE given my tutledge here on this site.
The notable differences I see here...  the style of the "FAKE" to me appears to be 'contrived'.
The suspicious one just looks like it could have been baked last week and finessed, not well representing the 2k years to be legitimate,  kind of a too good to be true.

Additional observations -
1.  Patina
The half shekel patina(surface) seems contrived: on the obverse highlighting mister Melqart in a black, while on the reverse eagle kind of a brown shade!  What!
That makes no sense that they would have different colors.

2. Orientation
When I flip the coin over - instead of immediately showing the opposite side it Doesn't!  I have to then turn it clockwise/counter clockwise to display the image properly aligned.
Seems fishy?

3. Pits - I'm seeing pits from possible casting.

Thats about all my beginning level instincts are detecting.
Please let me know if your thoughts!  Thanks!
-mark

BTW - mister suspicious Tiberius is still on its way(pre-forumancientcoins.com).  So don't be alarmed on my next post that I've yet acquired an addition for observation.  :      )

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Re: Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« Reply #1 on: August 18, 2021, 02:07:39 pm »

Additional issue on your ½ shekel is missing "A" on "KAI" on reverse legend.

(Greek KAI = and in English.)

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Re: Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« Reply #2 on: August 18, 2021, 04:07:09 pm »
The half shekel reverse is an exact match to your other known fake.

With genuine ancient coins, no two are exactly alike. Even coins that are struck from the same dies, with the same die states, show differences. They are centered differently on the flans; the flans are not of identical shape; the lettering of the legend appears in different positioning on the flans; they have different peculiarities, such as edge splits, flan flaws, post minting corrosion, etc.

When you have two coins that are exactly the same, there is a problem.




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Re: Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« Reply #3 on: August 18, 2021, 11:37:20 pm »

Additional issue on your ½ shekel is missing "A" on "KAI" on reverse legend.

(Greek KAI = and in English.)

Pekka K

Thats kind of obvious and hilarious. LOL  Good catch Sir!  :     )
Attaching a sample from NGC site with proper spelling on reverse as you have mentioned.

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Re: Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« Reply #4 on: August 19, 2021, 05:53:52 am »
... Thats kind of obvious and hilarious. LOL ...
Perhaps not as much as you think  :-\ . There exist ancient coins with spelling errors, this alone is no 100% proof of being a fake (but a strong hint).

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Re: Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« Reply #5 on: August 19, 2021, 05:09:03 pm »
Very interesting! 

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Re: Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« Reply #6 on: August 23, 2021, 03:20:46 am »
It is an antiquanova replica, the Silver ones are marked with an S the tin ones were not marked.
After a while transfer die and cast fakes of these replicas in Silver appeared on ebay and they used a tin one without S as mother, so this Silver fakes of have do not have the S anymore.
This one is sold out in Antiquanova store but in my database and in fake reports are pictures of original replicas


Silver with S, picture was taken from antiquanova store, they have all same background,

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=11906

A tin one without S

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/fakes/displayimage.php?pid=4885




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Re: Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« Reply #7 on: August 23, 2021, 10:55:18 pm »
Good catch!
Looks like a bought another fake from this same replica company.
I posted it on another thread.  :   (
https://www.antiquanova.com/product-page/tenedos-tetradrachm-greece-2nd-century-bc-fine-silver-replica-coin

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Re: Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2021, 12:11:25 pm »
Fake coin report(s) please.
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Re: Fake Shekel or Real Shekel test?
« Reply #9 on: September 01, 2021, 07:55:28 pm »
Joe, I think I posted the fake coin - half shekel 30 pieces of silver but not certain.
Not the best interface I've ever encountered.
Again, thanks for all the help!
-mark

 

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