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Author Topic: Gouges on coins of Pontos, Amisos ?  (Read 1458 times)

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Offline Jerome Holderman

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Gouges on coins of Pontos, Amisos ?
« on: August 12, 2006, 09:28:57 am »
Any thoughts on the deep gouges frequently seen on coins of Amisos?  My example has a fairly minor  scrape on the obverse, But in the search for a better one, I have seen lots of these coins with some very disfiguring scrapes. I have really not noticed this to any great extent on any other issue. I was just curious if anyone has any insight into this.

Here is mine, followed by some examples from Wildwinds.








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Re: Gouges on coins of Pontos, Amisos ?
« Reply #1 on: August 12, 2006, 01:59:46 pm »
Very seldom you may see a coin of this type from Amisos without scapes. I own only one of it: http://www.odophil.ch/numismatik/griechen/pontos/0114.html
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Re: Gouges on coins of Pontos, Amisos ?
« Reply #2 on: August 12, 2006, 02:15:08 pm »
I've read (in FORVM's catalog) that they may be file marks 'to reduce the weight of overweight flans'.
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Re: Gouges on coins of Pontos, Amisos ?
« Reply #3 on: August 12, 2006, 05:36:56 pm »
I've read (in FORVM's catalog) that they may be file marks 'to reduce the weight of overweight flans'.

Wouldn't the flan be filed before the coin is struck?  These seemed to have been filed afterwards.

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Re: Gouges on coins of Pontos, Amisos ?
« Reply #4 on: August 12, 2006, 06:16:35 pm »
That's what I was thinking; if they were filed first and then struck, surely a good deal of that would have been erased in the process.
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Re: Gouges on coins of Pontos, Amisos ?
« Reply #5 on: August 12, 2006, 07:41:00 pm »
The scrapes were done on the flan before striking.  The gorgon's head is the highest part and rarely has the marks.

Although the scrapes are called "adjustment marks" on dealer sites there is no evidence that the coins were being adjusted to meet a weight standard.  In fact, these coins' weights varies widely.

During this time Amisos and nearby cities were experimenting with new metals.  Brass was being introduced.  Some sites claim this type was a brass type, others that these are bronze.  (I've never had them tested.)  Perhaps the technique of making brass flans wasn't perfected, and the scrapes were to smooth the flan surface (to lengthen die lifetime?)  Or maybe it helped with the color?  The claim is that the brass was worth more than bronze, and I'd guess much effort towards making the coins look "brassy" would help.

Later coins would be smoothed using a circular method, leading to "centration dimples".  No one knows why.

 

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