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John J6

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Looking to ID Islamic coins
« on: February 10, 2023, 01:27:23 pm »
I bought a big collection of ancients & I'm just looking to catalog them/figure out what they are exactly. Glad I found this forum  8)

Here's a couple 'Islamic' - I think? what do you guys think?




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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2023, 01:29:04 pm »
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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2023, 02:07:29 pm »
I think:
First coin: Jaipur
Second coin: Mamluk
Give me a moment to look them up ...

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2023, 02:31:53 pm »
Here is your first coin:
Determination from Marudhar Coins.

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2023, 03:11:55 pm »
Your second coin is certainly Mamluk.
At the moment, I cannot find the exact match on the www.
I post here underneath a specimen of ruler Al-Ashraf Shaban II, to convince you, but yours has most probably an other ruler:

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2023, 03:25:10 pm »
And here "I" am convinced: Al-Ashraf Shaban II is the ruler on your coin, a Mamluk copper Fals:

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2023, 03:26:32 pm »
Good stuff  +++ thank you very very much

Here's a couple more, I hope this is enjoyable..


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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2023, 03:27:58 pm »
this one looks way different...

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2023, 11:56:42 am »
Not as easy as your previous couple of coins, John.

The first of these two has not enough identifiying marks, unless its' unusual shape and the two horizontal lines.
Those lines are to find on Maratha coins and pieces of the Indian states, but I doubt that is where your coin comes from.

Your second here has, so to say, to many identifiying marks. It is at least a double struck, but it looks like the flan suffered strikes of mutiple dies:
I looked at it for some time now and do not know what to think about.

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #9 on: February 12, 2023, 05:39:51 am »
Those lines are to find on Maratha coins and pieces of the Indian states, but I doubt that is where your coin comes from.

Those lines do seem to be a key characteristic. Good work.


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Your second here has, so to say, to many identifiying marks. It is at least a double struck, but it looks like the flan suffered strikes of mutiple dies:
I looked at it for some time now and do not know what to think about.

I appreciate your time, thank you very much.

They both look like they're from another planet if you ask me :)

John J6

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #10 on: February 12, 2023, 07:48:44 am »
I've got a few more here that look pretty similar. What do you make of these?

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #11 on: February 12, 2023, 07:49:47 am »
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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #13 on: February 12, 2023, 07:51:55 am »
#4


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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #14 on: February 12, 2023, 07:53:13 am »
#5


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#6


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« Reply #16 on: February 12, 2023, 07:55:02 am »
#7


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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #17 on: February 12, 2023, 07:56:36 am »
#8 - much newer




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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #18 on: February 12, 2023, 08:59:19 am »
#9


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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #19 on: February 12, 2023, 11:07:18 am »
Let me start with the #8, your most recent and easiest coin to identify.
Here it is:

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #20 on: February 12, 2023, 11:55:07 am »
oofda, well that does't belong in the ancient collection  :o

thanks a bunch

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #21 on: February 12, 2023, 04:08:50 pm »
I think, your #6 is een anonymous Umayyad copper Fals.
I cannot directly find an exact copy on the www, but it is very much like these two:

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #22 on: February 12, 2023, 07:23:56 pm »
Looks good to me. "UMAYYAD Anonymous Copper Fals - No Date (Circa 750 AD)"

Advanced Numismatists... you're one of them. Thank you sir.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Umayyad_Caliphate

"The Umayyad Caliphate (661–750 CE; UK: /ʊˈmaɪjæd, uːˈ-/,[2] US: /uːˈmaɪ(j)əd, -aɪæd/;[3] Arabic: ٱلْخِلَافَة ٱلْأُمَوِيَّة, romanized: al-Khilāfah al-ʾUmawīyah)[4] was the second of the four major caliphates established after the death of Muhammad."

I love how there's a history lesson built into these things  +++

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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #23 on: February 13, 2023, 10:36:26 am »
This specimen is even more convincing. No doubt, text and style are the same.
I found it on the www under Stephen Album Rare Coins.
With this comment:

"UMAYYAD: Anonymous, AE fals (3.74g), Ba'albakk, ND, A-168, early style, struck circa 736-740; this design continued, increasingly stylized, well into the Abbasid period."

The reverse reads as: "Mohammad rasul Allah"= Mohammed is the messenger of God.
The text on the obverse is here not quite the first sentence of the Shahada, but a variant on it.


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Re: Looking to ID Islamic coins
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2023, 11:02:00 am »
Your number #5 is very good comparable with your number #6.
Have a look underneath:

 

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