Not as easy as your previous couple of coins, John.
The first of these two has not enough identifiying marks, unless its' unusual shape and the two horizontal lines.
Those lines are to find on Maratha coins and pieces of the Indian states, but I doubt that is where your coin
comes from.
Your second here has, so to say, to many identifiying marks. It is at least a double struck, but it looks like the
flan suffered strikes of mutiple dies:
I looked at it for some time now and do not know what to think about.