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Roman Coins Discussion Forum / Re: New emission for Severina / Aurelian (?) crescent in left field

« Last post by Teutoburgium on April 20, 2024, 02:14:45 am »

Hello,

Indeed, this mintmark is not listed in Temp-RIC V/II online
It looks like Rome mint style, and the closest is with   R/B//XXI mintmark:

https://ric.mom.fr/en/coin/1888

This coin could be an engraver's error.

Teutoburgium

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Fake Coins and Notorious Fake Sellers / Re: Fake Akragas?

« Last post by Din X on April 20, 2024, 01:54:44 am »

Perhaps the core of a fourree that has lost its silvering?

Silver is a more noble metal than copper.
The more noble a metal the higher the acid resistance.
That acid or environment is destroying the silver with higher acid resistance much than earlier than copper with lower acid resistence is impossible.
So there is no way that all siver is gone but the bronze is still there and not damaged.
I have several fourrees in my collection they have the normal pattern, there is the silvering damaged on one or more position and there acid/corrosion is eating the copper core, while the silverplating is still pretty much intact, if the copper layer underneath is is gone the silver has nothing to stick on and will be either in air or fall off.

The patina has fine crystalls and is uniform a typical artificial patina. 

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Coin Photography, Conservation and Storage / Re: How to Break Open NGC Slab

« Last post by Enodia on April 19, 2024, 10:50:08 pm »

Can't wait to see the stater Anaximander.

I've only ever bought one slabbed coin, from Joe as a matter of fact. I just used a razor knife with a heated blade and sliced the top edge off, then pried it apart. Ive even seen some dealers offer to de-slab them for free before shipping.

~ Peter

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Coin Photography, Conservation and Storage / Re: Encyylopedia of Slabed Coins

« Last post by Jay GT4 on April 19, 2024, 09:42:56 pm »

I handily de-slabbed a NGC Ancients coin case today. It held a fifth century stater of Kroton, Bruttium. The photo supplied by the auction house was muddy, so I intend to take my own photos.

The process was simple and painless: wrapped in an old hand towel, the NGC case was tapped with a claw hammer using light to moderate force a dozen times along one long edge. The case separated cleanly at one end, and two screwdrivers were used to gently pry the two halves apart. I popped the coin and its paper insert into a waiting vinyl 2x2 flip. The case separated so cleanly that it could be reassembled!

Wouldn't you know? I was just reading my |March 31st issue of eSylum and saw this new book on slabbed coins!

Glad you broke the Kroton stater free!

Almost had me on the book.  Funny!

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Coin Photography, Conservation and Storage / Re: How to Break Open NGC Slab

« Last post by Joe Sermarini on April 19, 2024, 09:09:15 pm »

If you to to My FORVM, then go to My Coins, you can see the original listings for all coins you have purchased.

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Ancient and Medieval Coin Identification Help / Re: Reference from Flon, D. Histoire monétaire de la Lorraine et des trois évêchés.

« Last post by Joe Sermarini on April 19, 2024, 09:05:00 pm »

Thank Anaximander!

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Reading For the Advanced Ancient Coin Collector / Re: INDVLGENTIA AVGG IN CARTH

« Last post by Ron C2 on April 19, 2024, 06:40:05 pm »

At the risk of bumping a necro thread to the annoyance of all (sorry) - Adding my recently acquired RIC 267a septimius severus dea caelestis with drum and facing head example for those that happen upon this thread.

Hi-res in the link:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pid=187101



As opposed to the more common thunderbolt version:



What I had noticed discussed above - the lion can also be either head facing or head right, and it appears to not correlate to whether dea caelestis' head is facing or right.  The first coin I posted above has a facing lion head, the second has a lion head to the right - both are clear examples of this difference.

So in theory there are almost double the number of possible mix/match variations of the denarii reverses:

-drum, scepter, goddess facing, lion head facing, no exergue
-drum, scepter, goddess facing, lion head right, no exergue
-drum, scepter, goddess right, lion head facing, no exergue
-drum, scepter, goddess facing, lion head right, no exergue
-drum, scepter, goddess facing, lion head facing
-drum, scepter, goddess facing, lion head right
-drum, scepter, goddess right, lion head facing
-drum, scepter, goddess facing, lion head right
-drum, no scepter, goddess facing, lion head facing
-drum, no scepter, goddess facing, lion head right
-drum, no scepter, goddess right, lion head facing
-drum, no scepter, goddess facing, lion head right
-thunderbolt, no scepter, goddess facing, lion head facing
-thunderbolt, no scepter, goddess facing, lion head right
-thunderbolt, no scepter, goddess right, lion head facing
-thunderbolt, no scepter, goddess facing, lion head right
-thunderbolt, scepter, goddess facing, lion head facing
-thunderbolt, scepter, goddess facing, lion head right
-thunderbolt, scepter, goddess right, lion head facing
-thunderbolt, scepter, goddess facing, lion head right

And all of these are potentially available with the following reverses (all observed n this thread):
-Septimius bust
-Septimius draped
-Septimius draped and cuirassed
-Caracalla draped
-Geta Draped
-Geta draped and cuirassed

So in other words, there are potentially 120 variants of this coin in existence - though realistically not all of the rare reverses will be paired with the rarest obverses - in particular it is very unlikely that the draped or cuirassed Septimius obverses will be paired with every reverse variant on denarii.

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Ancient and Medieval Coin Identification Help / Re: please ID this little coin

« Last post by Gianluca G on April 19, 2024, 06:24:42 pm »

You may find it among the mintages of Bayazid II, and it may be a silver Akces (15th-16thC)

ahhhh ok I'm going to search it , thanks a lot 

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Ancient and Medieval Coin Identification Help / Re: please ID this little coin

« Last post by Gianluca G on April 19, 2024, 06:23:24 pm »

no replies?

thanks

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Ancient and Medieval Coin Identification Help / Re: Reference from Flon, D. Histoire monétaire de la Lorraine et des trois évêchés.

« Last post by Anaximander on April 19, 2024, 04:39:48 pm »

Alas, I do not have Flon's work.

For my almost-identical coin of Feudal France, Lorraine, |Antoine le Bon (1508-1544), I used de Saulcy, Roberts, and Boudeau.  I could only pull down de Saulcy one page at a time, so had focused uniquely on Francois I's predecessor, Antoine le Bon.  I've just pulled down the paltry four pages for Francois I (3 txt, 1 plate), and will try to add something useful here.

Fingers crossed...

... and here's what I found:  Plate XVII #4. Near match. the obverse legend may have been misread (it's described as being heavily worn).
+ FRANCISCVS + C + D + LOTHO Shield of Lorraine and Bar. / MONETA + FACTA + NAN. Sword point down. 1.8 gm.

Also:  Roberts SCMF 9441 references that same coin in de Saulcy (L.17.4 = Illustration Sources on p. 509 = Part 4, Feudal France)