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Resources => Ancient and Medieval Coin Identification Help => Topic started by: Waldemar S on May 24, 2023, 12:51:42 am

Title: Gallienus - Samosate ?
Post by: Waldemar S on May 24, 2023, 12:51:42 am
Hello

Is it Ric 449 from Samosate ?, OCRE defines the mint as Asia ? whether there are two types 449a, 449c , but no pictures , can you see examples of these variants anywhere?

 http://numismatics.org/ocre/id/ric.5.gall(1).449

Regards Waldemar
Title: Re: Gallienus - Samosate ?
Post by: Pekka K on May 24, 2023, 02:27:12 am

Göbl lists this coin to Samosata issue 3, MIR 36 #1701g.

Pekka K
Title: Re: Gallienus - Samosate ?
Post by: Waldemar S on May 25, 2023, 01:11:45 am
Thank you  Pekka K
the seller gave references 1701m, I have also seen with other lowercase letters eg 1701b, what do these lowercase letters - variants mean?

Regards Waldemar
Title: Re: Gallienus - Samosate ?
Post by: Pekka K on May 25, 2023, 02:27:02 am

Lower case letters are used in this case both for obverse differencies
and for reverse field mark. On your coin there is no reverse field
mark, so the letter can be f, g, h, i or k. But Göbl lists only "g"
in this group  for Gallienus ("i" is for Salonina).
Letter "m" is for Gallienus with dotted wreath field mark on reverse,
so it is not right.

Pekka K
Title: Re: Gallienus - Samosate ?
Post by: Waldemar S on May 26, 2023, 12:25:02 am
Pekka  +++ thank you for the letters. How to rate it on the scale of rarity - rare ???
Title: Re: Gallienus - Samosate ?
Post by: Pekka K on May 26, 2023, 01:38:36 am

Göbl knows only 3 coins of this type.

Pekka K
Title: Re: Gallienus - Samosate ?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on May 26, 2023, 11:24:37 am
Thank you  Pekka K
the seller gave references 1701m, I have also seen with other lowercase letters eg 1701b, what do these lowercase letters - variants mean?

Regards Waldemar

One of our rules here is that you provide ALL the information you have available. Having a reference from the seller seems quite relevant. Do not hold back relevant information when asking for an ID assist.
Title: Re: Gallienus - Samosate ?
Post by: Waldemar S on May 27, 2023, 01:50:34 am
It was not my intention to hide the description of the seller's references, but to verify them, because in my opinion they were contradictory, and I did not want to suggest an identifying one.
The coin has not yet arrived, its weight from the seller's description - 3.81 g
I think that in terms of references given from sellers - it could be argued whether they are valid and legitimate before verifying the id. ;)
 
Regards Waldemar

Ps. Pekka thanks again for the id. verification and explanation of the meaning of the lowercase letters
Title: Re: Gallienus - Samosate ?
Post by: Joe Sermarini on May 27, 2023, 01:30:20 pm
I think that in terms of references given from sellers - it could be argued whether they are valid and legitimate before verifying the id. ;)

Well then, ask your questions someplace else where they follow your rules.