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Offline Nemonater

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Titus/Captive added
« on: February 08, 2013, 08:18:14 pm »
Well, here's my first BOT contribution. I don't think there's another one in the gallery yet.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-92492

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Re: Titus/Captive added
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2013, 08:29:05 pm »
That's a great coin!

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Re: Titus/Captive added
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2013, 12:26:08 pm »
Great coin.

But which defeated captive is he meant to portray?   He doesn't look Jewish does he, but I guess he must be.
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Re: Titus/Captive added
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2013, 08:44:20 am »
It could be a Jewish captive, but we don't know. It's often forgotten that the Flavians fought two major wars. One was to recapture Jerusalem, ending in what I believe was the longest siege in the entire history of Imperial Rome.
The other was the civil war against Vitellius. The Flavians owed the army for this, and while it wasn't considered acceptable to glory in a victory over other Romans, it's probably safe to regard these 'anonymous' military issues as payback for both wars.
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Re: Titus/Captive added
« Reply #4 on: February 10, 2013, 09:12:08 am »

As far as the different appearance of the captive on the reverse, it would seem odd, if representing a Jew, that the captive is beardless as it was the custom for the Jews to wear a beard.  However, during extreme sorrow, shame or humiliation the beard was often mutilated or removed.

Compare Isa. 15:2 "He has gone up to The House and to Di′bon, to the high places, to a weeping. Over Ne′bo and over Med′e·ba Mo′ab itself howls. On all heads in it there is baldness; every beard is clipped."  
And Jeremiah 41:5, "then there came men from She′chem, from Shi′loh and from Sa·mar′i·a, eighty men with their beards shaved off and with their garments ripped apart and with cuts made upon themselves, and there were grain offering and frankincense in their hand to bring to the house of Jehovah."

I agree though, it's unlikely that we will know for sure.  

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Re: Titus/Captive added
« Reply #5 on: February 10, 2013, 05:15:03 pm »
True enough about the beards, but would a Roman die cutter know the nuances of the Jewish faith?  Possibly but not necessarily.

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Re: Titus/Captive added
« Reply #6 on: February 10, 2013, 05:26:33 pm »
True enough about the beards, but would a Roman die cutter know the nuances of the Jewish faith?  Possibly but not necessarily.

Yeah, it does seem very unlikely, and, as I know most are aware, this reverse copies an earlier C. Memmius C.f. type.  At the same time, I could see this beardless reverse fitting in with a Jew in mourning which of course was a major theme. 

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Re: Titus/Captive added
« Reply #7 on: February 10, 2013, 06:16:29 pm »

In regards to the captive types, I think these are just generic "captives" and not meant to depict any certain group of people. The type can be used interchangeably with whatever victory needs to be celebrated at the time.

 

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