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Offline joseph g2

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Julius caesar elephant
« on: April 21, 2023, 03:42:08 pm »
I purchased this coin and wanted to get a opinion on authenticity. I was told it could have been struck with modern dies . thanks Joseph

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Re: Julius caesar elephant
« Reply #1 on: April 22, 2023, 03:12:13 am »
To make it easier I will post pictures of replicas of Petar Petrov of this type and you can ask if they are die matches and what it means if a coins is a die match to a replica from modern hand cut dies.

Every month there are several of this replicas on ebay some correctly offered as fakes some offered by fakes sellers as authentic.

On Etsy you can buy them always correctly from replica sellers as fakes.

https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/1448220343/romischer-ar-denar-des-caius-julius?click_key=6eb425cd5c27428604b5827b377252e18ef38cd2:1448220343&click_sum=5a287de2&ref=shop_home_active_24&frs=1&source=aw&utm_source=affiliate_window&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=us_location_buyer&utm_content=1001765&utm_term=0&awc=6220_1682145911_3065361ff1fd9477b045fd199c203415

You can tell the seller that the coin is fake and ask for a refund.
Even not reputable sellers/dealers do sometimes refunds, becasue they fear bad feedback and evaluations and then they will then offer the fake again to a new sucker.
And if you bought it from a reputable dealer, he/she has to do a refund after seeing that it is a die match to a fake from modern dies, if not he/she is not reputable.
If the seller refuses a refund you can ask if he/she will pay the authentication costs if the coin turns out to be fake and the results of which autentication services he/she will accept.

If seller accept NGC you can ask if he/she wants to have metal analysis with XRF analyser, too.
It is an extremly common fake I assume NGC had many of them already submitted and all rejected as fakes, so they should know this fake well.
But the XRF result which will end in modern silver alloy should destroy the last hopes.
Authentication with shipping will cost more than such a replica costs and costed.









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Re: Julius caesar elephant
« Reply #2 on: May 19, 2023, 08:45:02 am »
I purchased this coin and wanted to get a opinion on authenticity. I was told it could have been struck with modern dies . thanks Joseph
fake

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Re: Julius caesar elephant
« Reply #3 on: May 20, 2023, 06:48:47 pm »

To make it easier I will post pictures of replicas of Petar Petrov of this type and you can ask if they are die matches and what it means if a coins is a die match to a replica from modern hand cut dies.

Every month there are several of this replicas on ebay some correctly offered as fakes some offered by fakes sellers as authentic.

On Etsy you can buy them always correctly from replica sellers as fakes.

https://www.etsy.com/de/listing/1448220343/romischer-ar-denar-des-caius-julius?click_key=6eb425cd5c27428604b5827b377252e18ef38cd2:1448220343&click_sum=5a287de2&ref=shop_home_active_24&frs=1&source=aw&utm_source=affiliate_window&utm_medium=affiliate&utm_campaign=us_location_buyer&utm_content=1001765&utm_term=0&awc=6220_1682145911_3065361ff1fd9477b045fd199c203415


I would say no, they are not die matches, which tells us - what?

And the etsy coins are something else again.

Ross G.

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Re: Julius caesar elephant
« Reply #4 on: May 20, 2023, 09:33:40 pm »

I would say no, they are not die matches, which tells us - what?

And the etsy coins are something else again.

Ross G.

Would you care to point out the differences?

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Re: Julius caesar elephant
« Reply #5 on: May 20, 2023, 10:12:09 pm »
There are numerous minor differences - in the letters, the elephants ear, and so on, but looking at them again it seems that they could perhaps be explained by a weaker strike on the original coin in question here.

More importantly, the dots on the border seem to match up, which is always critical in these cases.

Ross G.

 

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