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Author Topic: Fake Myriandros Alexander  (Read 1288 times)

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Offline n.igma

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Fake Myriandros Alexander
« on: February 13, 2017, 08:14:49 pm »
In an auction closing 7 March ... from modern dies, this one comes up with monotonous regularity in auctions houses who should know better.

Listed by IBSCC (BOCS Vol 5 No.1/2 1980 Page 2 Fig 6 ) and two in the Forum Fakes Reports so no excuse...

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Re: Fake Myriandros Alexander
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2017, 08:40:44 am »
The style is odd enough that it should have generated at least enough suspicion to check the fake coin reports.
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Re: Fake Myriandros Alexander
« Reply #2 on: February 21, 2017, 06:10:53 am »
The style is odd enough that it should have generated at least enough suspicion to check the fake coin reports.

From one of the largest German numismatic dealers its carries the auction description: Feiner Stil! (or Fine Style!)

Perhaps the exclamation mark is 'tongue in cheek'?



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Re: Fake Myriandros Alexander
« Reply #3 on: February 22, 2017, 08:20:02 am »
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Perhaps the exclamation mark is 'tongue in cheek'?

I don't think so. I think it is attractive style, just a bit different from the normal.
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Re: Fake Myriandros Alexander
« Reply #5 on: March 08, 2017, 02:29:51 am »
It is not ignorance, on almost all occasions they choose to ignore warnings they are getting for the fakes they auction. They choose to let the market decide if they are fakes or not

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Re: Fake Myriandros Alexander
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2017, 08:21:39 am »
One of these if for sale again ...
Hair is cruder than on authentic specimens.

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Re: Fake Myriandros Alexander
« Reply #7 on: June 03, 2017, 03:03:40 am »
Hi DinX / n.igma,

For others benefit (including me), are the above coins "pressed" or struck.
Also, why do you think counterfeiters use a pressing method instead of striking if that would leave additional traces to it being a fake?

Thanks,

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Re: Fake Myriandros Alexander
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2017, 07:03:10 am »
In my opinion, the consistent surface appearance of all the coins, coupled with the overall lack of evidence of a struck origin (e.g. variability of strike, soft strike, centering variation, progressive die wear, double strikes) is consistent with a pressed rather than struck origin. Also on some examples metal slippage under slow building pressing load is evident, particular on the dotted borders.

Most fake dies are made from relatively soft and and often fragile alloys which are easy to manipulate. Many transfer dies are simply a thin sheet of alloy backed by a more robust alloy stump and they wouldn't stand up to the stress of striking for more than one or two hammer blows. Pressing extends fake die life compared to striking.

The fakers who use pressing are playing a volume game. Those who strike coins tend to focus on higher value rarities and the name of the game for them is a high margin from a low volume.
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Re: Fake Myriandros Alexander
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2017, 09:58:05 am »
Thank you,

This and the other thread by you and DinX on Alexander III modern dies has been very informative, thank you.

Peter

 

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