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Offline Bacchus

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Herakles and (patera or apples?)
« on: September 06, 2008, 11:49:29 am »
Hi,

I have this Macrinus / Diadumenian 5 assaria with a reverse die I have not encountered before.

Unfortunately the right hand is worn.  I think this is Herakles holding a patera, but it just could be apples.  I'm almost certain in fact it is a patera - but it can be best not to completely assume)  Does anyone else have this reverse die?

An additional couple of examples shows, again. a nude Herakles with patera, and one with the apples - just for comparasions

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Re: Herakles and (patera or apples?)
« Reply #1 on: September 06, 2008, 12:24:20 pm »
Antvwala today posted this on the italian board, but the device is not perfectly clear on this specimen as well.

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=47717.0

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Re: Herakles and (patera or apples?)
« Reply #2 on: September 06, 2008, 12:29:27 pm »
Thanks Luigi,

I missed that post.  It certainly strengthens the patera option though.

Best regards
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Re: Herakles and (patera or apples?)
« Reply #3 on: September 06, 2008, 02:52:06 pm »


Tacchella RN 1903, pg 211, #38, plate XII, fig4. shows an example from the same dies, worn a bit like Bacchus'. He calls it a patera with a ?. The example posted by Luigi seems to be the best example, though as he notes not as clear as one would like - I think I would go with patera.

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Re: Herakles and (patera or apples?)
« Reply #4 on: September 06, 2008, 09:36:21 pm »
We have actually discussed this type before:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?topic=36307.msg230044#msg230044

With the overarm club, Herakles generally seems to hold pateras.
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Re: Herakles and (patera or apples?)
« Reply #5 on: September 07, 2008, 05:07:00 pm »
-- So much for generalizations; the same overarm-club type at Hadrianopolis (all for Gordian III, it appears) generally deploys apples not pateras.
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