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Offline aruabus

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Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« on: August 14, 2021, 01:44:36 pm »
This one has a good portrait but porous metal, a collector from my city asked me about them. Now, I have uploaded new photos. Weight is only 2.8gr and diameter 19mm. Do you think it is fake?  I have seen similar like this with poor bright, but It could be hard for me in case of fake. Thanks again to the Community !!
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Re: And the last one, Trajan denarius.
« Reply #1 on: August 14, 2021, 02:07:05 pm »
Judging authenticity from a photo is possible only from egregious fakes.
Your photos are too poor to hazard an opinion.
What are the size and weight?
Do you have a photo of the edge?
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #2 on: August 21, 2021, 04:31:53 pm »
Sadly, my opinion is that it is a cast fake, based on a clear casting seam on your new photos and light weight.
Let's see what others think.
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #3 on: August 21, 2021, 05:17:31 pm »
Cast fake.  100% certain.  Sorry. The casting seam is plain as day, and the pores are casting bubbles - not the type of prosity from spending 2000 years in the ground.
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #4 on: August 21, 2021, 06:27:11 pm »
Quote from: Ron C2 on August 21, 2021, 05:17:31 pm
Cast fake.  100% certain.  Sorry. The casting seam is plain as day, and the pores are casting bubbles - not the type of prosity from spending 2000 years in the ground.

Casting bubbles produce pearls, not pores, and I see no obvious pearls.

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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #5 on: August 21, 2021, 06:42:25 pm »
Quote from: glebe on August 21, 2021, 06:27:11 pm
Quote from: Ron C2 on August 21, 2021, 05:17:31 pm
Cast fake.  100% certain.  Sorry. The casting seam is plain as day, and the pores are casting bubbles - not the type of prosity from spending 2000 years in the ground.

Casting bubbles produce pearls, not pores, and I see no obvious pearls.

Ross G.
they can produce both. Pearls are from bubble in the mold, if one is pours. Like with plaster. Pores are from air being captured in the metal pour itself, or from left over wax in the mold.

Anyway, it has a clear casting seam. 
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2021, 02:58:36 am »
Thank you very much for your information!!!
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #7 on: August 24, 2021, 08:14:52 am »
More in focus pictures would help.  I'm not convinced it is a casting seam. 
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #8 on: August 24, 2021, 09:03:26 am »
 Not sure about the casting seam nor the casting bubbles..
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #9 on: August 24, 2021, 09:33:04 am »
Difficult to tell, but could it be a fouree?
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #10 on: August 24, 2021, 09:39:16 am »
No hint of folds in the silver as are frequent with fourrees--and the seam still indicates cast.
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #11 on: August 24, 2021, 12:09:57 pm »
I think it looks cast. I would be very surprised if better photos changed my opinion.
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Re: Trajan denarius RIC 364. Genuine or Great Fake?
« Reply #12 on: August 27, 2021, 05:28:08 am »
More photos attached. Thanks!!
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