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Offline chuck p

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not romans
« on: August 31, 2004, 01:43:37 am »
have no idea of what these are. any help would be appreciated
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« Reply #1 on: August 31, 2004, 01:46:56 am »
the small coin is about 10mm, reverse is smooth...larger one is about 13.5mm
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Re:not romans
« Reply #2 on: September 04, 2004, 12:08:49 pm »
The small one looks similar to this coin I got from an uncleaned lot:

(obverse right, reverse left)

I saw one like it (now gone) on a seller's site that listed it as Ummayad, c. 750 AD, copper fals, Ramlah, no date, palm tree / crescent with dot in center, SNAT-65, BMC-855+

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« Reply #3 on: September 04, 2004, 11:48:47 pm »
thanks for the info. mine doesn't have the dot in center and i believe it is orichrulum (however you say that word). It does look very much like yours though so I guess it's time to start researching. Now that I have a place to start. Thanks again. chuck
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« Reply #4 on: February 14, 2005, 12:23:39 am »
Having rediscovered these two a couple of days ago, I have done a little close up scrutiny and believe the little fellow on the left is actually the top of a ring. The bottom is completely flat and devoid of even the hint of any detail. Along the bottom edges at 180 degrees appears that something was broken off. Almost sprue like in appearance. I think I will close the book on this one and leave it at that.    Now my only problem is the coin on the right. I think this is definately a coin. Does anyone recognise the "stylized cross" or whatever it may be? Take a stab at it. I don't have a clue.
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Re:not romans
« Reply #5 on: February 14, 2005, 05:29:59 am »
The one on the right looks like a coiled snake design that was used for a number of emperors, in a number of cities.  I have two minted for Gallienus, an AE23 from Augusta Traiana in Thrace and an AE27 from Serdica, also in Thrace:


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« Reply #6 on: February 14, 2005, 09:13:17 pm »
Thanks for the reply Ed. I really don't think that is it though. If it is a roman it is of a style that I haven't encountered yet. This is the best I can make out of it.
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« Reply #7 on: February 15, 2005, 06:21:13 am »
It's a coin all right, but I don't think it's Roman; I haven't come across that particular type of thick cast flan from the empire. I don't know when they came in; I've seen Byzantine examples often enough, and from other cultures of that era.
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« Reply #8 on: May 18, 2005, 04:40:09 pm »
Hi

The one above on the right which is also drawn below is an Ottoman AE Mangir. However to find out about the date and mint the obverse is needed. The one above on the left is not an Umayyad coin, but I do not know what it is. It could be Fatimid.

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« Reply #9 on: May 21, 2005, 12:15:25 am »
Thank you so much for your kind response, Burak. Can you recommend a  good site that I might research these coins? I will attach a scan of the other side of these, though I don't know if it will be of any help. Again, thank you.

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Re: not romans
« Reply #10 on: June 07, 2005, 03:06:51 pm »
Well for Ottoman Mangirs there isnt much online I am afraid. There is an excellent book though. Try www.zeno.ru

But if you get the obverse done then I can ID it

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« Reply #11 on: June 10, 2005, 12:27:36 am »
That is the obverse in the last post. I enhanced it a little to get the detail that is showing. It is not that good in hand. Sorry I can't help more. Thanks for the link to the book.
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