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Seal info ???
« on: January 17, 2010, 04:49:42 pm »
Please give me any info for this man:
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Lead seal XII- XII cent. ? ! ?
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Re: Seal info ???
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2010, 03:18:47 am »
The inscription can be translated as:
Seal of the noble emperor Michael Ducas.
So obviously this is an imperial seal of Michael VII (1078-1090).
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Re: Seal info ???
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2010, 08:47:53 am »
Thanks but ..... this is not so obviously.
If we read AVTH, not AVTK, this seal must belong to the uncle of emperor Michael Ducas

http://www.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw/apps/boulloterion.jsp?bKey=1706

Then the Diameter is unusual - not 20 mm. as described but more then 32 mm !!!!! >:(
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Re: Seal info ???
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2010, 11:10:38 am »
It would help if you had pictures.
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Re: Seal info ???
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2010, 12:02:52 pm »
Quote from: Orthodoxcoins on January 18, 2010, 08:47:53 am
If we read AVTH, not AVTK, this seal must belong to the uncle of emperor Michael Ducas

http://www.pbw.kcl.ac.uk/pbw/apps/boulloterion.jsp?bKey=1706


Um ... uncle of the emperor Michael Ducas?  Isn't this the Michael Ducas who was the brother-in-law of Alexius I, i.e. the brother of the empress Irene? That would make him a cousin of Michael VII. Or am I using PBW incorrectly?

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Re: Seal info ???
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2010, 12:15:25 pm »
My responce was based on your initial input of AVTK which obviously means Autocrator=emperor.
If you think the seal bears AVTH and not AVTK, then maybe we should see it  8)  ;D
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Re: Seal info ???
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2010, 04:30:44 pm »
Um ... uncle of the emperor Michael Ducas?  Isn't this the Michael Ducas who was the brother-in-law of Alexius I, i.e. the brother of the empress Irene? That would make him a cousin of Michael VII. Or am I using PBW incorrectly?

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Yes, it's Michael Doukas, grandson of Eirene and kaisar Ioannes Doukas  - brother of Constantine X Doukas/, son of Andronikos Doukas and brother of Eirene Doukaina, wife of Alexios I.
He is a cousin of Michael VII
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Re: Seal info ???
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2010, 04:38:44 pm »
My responce was based on your initial input of AVTK which obviously means Autocrator=emperor.
If you think the seal bears AVTH and not AVTK, then maybe we should see it  8)  ;D
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It is very clear visible on the seal - AVTK .
The inscription AVTH is citation from the site PBW.
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