Author Topic: Toronto Group (Read 29895 times)

canadian_boy · « **on:** December 03, 2002, 07:20:21 am »

Here is a site which is trying to help collectors to track and be aware of some of the forgeries that are out there (on ebay, etc). For your info.
http://www.chijanofuji.com/ancientforgeries.html

whitetd49 · « **Reply #1 on:** December 03, 2002, 08:44:56 am »

Yes, that Toronto group is ripping people off with a large selection of forgeries under a wide variety of identities, soon as one is shut down, they come back as something else. They are on both ebay and yahoo. I got burned by oceans-purity, bastards.

pliskin · « **Reply #2 on:** December 03, 2002, 08:30:59 pm »

Is good to know there are sites like that out there......I've recently started to raise my standards for collecting, and still have mostly an "un-trained" eye for spotting fakes :-/

ember · « **Reply #3 on:** January 02, 2004, 05:19:26 am »

It appears they are back on Ebay, using the name "hvarotc"

Jerome Holderman · « **Reply #4 on:** January 02, 2004, 09:12:36 am »

Looks like E-bay must be getting to them quicker? I see now they are using 1 day listings

Here are some examples.

Jerome Holderman · « **Reply #5 on:** January 02, 2004, 09:12:55 am »

Jerome Holderman · « **Reply #6 on:** January 02, 2004, 09:13:21 am »

#3 , Looks awefully similiar to the one posted in the ID section earlier in the week??

Jerome Holderman · « **Reply #7 on:** January 02, 2004, 09:13:40 am »

Jerome Holderman · « **Reply #8 on:** January 02, 2004, 09:14:01 am »

Jerome Holderman · « **Reply #9 on:** January 02, 2004, 09:19:10 am »

Compairision on #3 To the coin posted earlier by Kash??

Kashes coin

Current listing by Hvrotoc

Robert_Brenchley · « **Reply #10 on:** January 02, 2004, 12:44:23 pm »

Same coin, different example.

Pertinax · « **Reply #11 on:** January 02, 2004, 01:00:29 pm »

Could be the same seller which I brought to the attention 2 weeks ago.
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/board/index.php?board=9;action=display;threadid=6812

esnible · « **Reply #12 on:** January 02, 2004, 09:18:56 pm »

That is because both fakes are casts of this struck Slavey:

(image from www.ancients.info)

jimwho523 · « **Reply #13 on:** January 03, 2004, 10:56:53 am »

This is what I was talking about in a different thread!! Forgers making copies of modern copies!! You would think that they would at least use a real coin to make copies of. But if people will buy them, Iguess the crooks will continue to make them any way they can....

Alex · « **Reply #14 on:** January 16, 2004, 05:28:56 am »

I just found them too and was going to post about!

stay away from: bircklayeranc

maridvnvm · « **Reply #15 on:** January 16, 2004, 06:41:25 am »

They are now resorting to one-day auctions with all the privacy that they can get from ebay. They seem to have had some bids already!
Maridvnvm

whitetd49 · « **Reply #16 on:** January 16, 2004, 07:18:08 am »

Somebody bid $110 on the Lysimachus tet - as if you could get a real one for that price! How many years now have these guys been selling these fakes?

Bluefish · « **Reply #17 on:** January 16, 2004, 08:02:14 am »

I have copied all these sales, and will post them to the fakes board, if I can get the confirmation from those here that they are indeed fake.

Other than the one day private auction, I do not yet have the skill to determine by eye that these are false.

Please let me know as soon as possible. Thanks!

Peter

aragon6 · « **Reply #18 on:** January 17, 2004, 09:14:40 am »

I know when I post coins for sale now I am going to add a warning about these one day private sales. Maybe EBay wont like it, but I dont think they can stop you from offering your own opinion.

maridvnvm · « **Reply #19 on:** January 17, 2004, 09:25:47 am »

Sadly maost of their coins seem to have sold successfully. The fake Gordian Africanus (put on as Gord III) sold for over $500!
It is a sad thing that ebay don't put a halt to this.
Maridvnvm

Misanthropus · « **Reply #20 on:** January 17, 2004, 09:34:46 am »

Actually the Slavey on this thread is quite nice, don't you think? I find it no wonder that some now collect the reproductions. I posted a Slavey Pertinax which, if I recall correctly, drew more positive responses than a genuine Balbinus, not to mention its twin, a Pupiennus. Drat! Now another collecting avenue, Paduans! Slavey strikes! I wonder about Slavey's master apprentices.... Have they yet produced their masterworks?

LordBest · « **Reply #21 on:** January 17, 2004, 09:38:18 am »

Maybe we could declare a War on Reproductions.

Send the US 4th Infantry after the Toronto group.

I've seen a lot of nice Slavey's. Pity his name sounds like a drunk naming a toilet. " 's lavvie, wanna piddle". I like his Syracusan deka repros a lot.
LordBest.

the_Apostate · « **Reply #22 on:** January 17, 2004, 09:51:30 am »

Quote from: maridvnvm on January 17, 2004, 09:25:47 am

Sadly maost of their coins seem to have sold successfully. The fake Gordian Africanus (put on as Gord III) sold for over $500!

Yeah, I noticed that too. If people could only be so reasonably intelligent as to follow the simple rule of never ever bidding on private auctions if one doesn't know the seller. I don't know what to say. If one pays more than $ 500 for that bad fake labelled as GIII offered on a fraudulent (private) auction one almost deserves getting ripped off.

Misanthropus · « **Reply #23 on:** January 17, 2004, 10:04:58 am »

My post was in reference to the scans posted by Ed. I consider that to be art. After all, the Romans emulated the Greeks, and some of the most sublime statuary exists only in replica of the originals. That esnible scan of Slavey depicts an exquisitely rendered reproduction, in my most humble opinion. One can not slight Slavey at his best!

wolfgang336 · « **Reply #24 on:** January 17, 2004, 12:53:37 pm »

Quote from: LordBest on January 17, 2004, 09:38:18 am

Maybe we could declare a War on Reproductions. Send the US 4th Infantry after the Toronto group.

I doubt Canada would let them in without one heck of a fight...

Evan

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