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Identification Help / Re: ID For Coin With No Visible Legend
« Last post by Pekka K on August 01, 2021, 01:29:14 pm »
Roman Provincial Coins / Re: Hristova-Hoeft-Jekov, Nikopolis Addenda #8
« Last post by Jochen on August 01, 2021, 01:21:15 pm »

A new rev. legend variant for Elagabal

Elagabal, AD 218-222
AE 24, 13.1g
struck under governor Novius Rufus
       Laureate head r.
      Aequitas/Nemesis, in long garment and mantle, wearing kalathos, stg. frontal, head l., holding in l. arm cornucopiae and in extended r. hand scales; left at her feet the wheel
ref. a) not in AMNG:
          cf. AMNG I/1, 1963 (rev. only)
      b) not in Varbanov
      c) Hristova-Hoeft-Jekov (2020) No. var.
Savoca 110th Blue Auction, August 2021

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Roman Provincial Coins / Re: Hristova-Hoeft-Jekov, Nikopolis Addenda #8
« Last post by Jochen on August 01, 2021, 01:17:17 pm »

A new die combination and corrections for Severus

Septimius Severus, AD 193-211
AE 25, 12.51g
struck under governor Aurelius Gallus
       Laureate head r.
      Demeter in long garment and mantle, veiled, wearing kalathos, stg. frontal, head l., resting with raised l. hand on long torch and holding in lowered r. hand grain-ears
ref. a) not in AMNG:
          cf. AMNG I/1, 1287 (for the type only)
      b) not in Varbanov
      c) not in Hristova-Hoeft-Jekov (2020):
          rev. No. corr. (same die, but writes PROC I)
          obv. e.g. No. corr. (same die, but writes CEVHROC P)
      possibly unpublished
Savoca 110th Blue Auction, August 2021

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Identification Help / ID For Coin With No Visible Legend
« Last post by Ken P on August 01, 2021, 01:10:00 pm »
Coin:  29mm / 12.3g

I'm having trouble ID'ing this coin as it has no readable legend on either side.  I believe it's a Roman provincial.  Any ideas?  I'd appreciate your trying to help me.  Thanks!
Od czasów wydania pracy Metcalfa zidentyfikowano sporo nowych typów cystoforów i zapewne nie jest to koniec. Zaliczają się do nich pojedyncze (na razie) typy wybite w Halikarnasie i Kolofonie. Ich identyfikacja opiera się na brązach z tych miast opatrzonych dokładną legendą odnoszącą się do miejsca wybicia, a tylko nieznacznie różniących się rewersami od wzmiankowanych tetradrachm. Jak łatwo się domyślić, rewersy te odnoszą się do kultów lokalnych bóstw i nie mają nic wspólnego z naszą intuicją (np. na monetach Halikarnasu chcielibyśmy pewnie widzieć grobowiec Mauzolosa, no bo niby co innego?).

Stojący pomiędzy dwoma drzwami posąg przedstawiony na monecie Halikarnasu, podobnie jak "kora" z Sardes, wygląda na mocno wiekowy wizerunek z czasów przedklasycznych. Identyfikuje się go z Zeusem Askraiosem (temu, który ma świątynię położoną na wzgórzach; najważniejsza świątynia pod tym wezwaniem znajdowała się w Smyrnie):

Warto zwrócić uwagę na wychodzącą spod spodu częściowo czytelną legendę przebitego cystofora Marka Antoniusza (bardziej na awersie, chociaż na rewersie też parę liter widać).

Jeden z brązów, na podstawie którego dokonano atrybucji, wybity za Trajana (legedna rewersu ΑΛΙΚΑΡΝΑCΕΩΝ - [moneta] Halikarnasu).

Kolofon też znany jest na razie z samej postaci lokalnego boga, nieznany jest dlań typ ze świątynią, jak to było w wypadku pierwszych opisywanych miast. Bóg ten to Apollo Klarios, siedzący na tronie, oparty na lirze i trzymajacy gałązkę nad trójnogiem. Niestety porządne przetłumaczenie przydomka przekracza moje możliwości - jak widzę może to być coś w rodzaju "Najjaśniejszy", ale bardziej poprawne jest coś w rodzaju "przydzielony (tej) ziemi".

I ponownie trajanowy brąz, za pomocą którego przypisano monetę do miasta; zamiast gałązki Apollo trzyma tutaj na ręku miniaturową statuę Artemidy Efezkiej. Kluczowa jest mało widoczna tutaj legenda rewersu: ΚΟΛΟΦΩΝΙ ΚΛΑΡΙΟC - [Apollo] Klarios Kolofoński
Ancient Coin Forum / Re: Going to Northern Italy August 3 - 17
« Last post by otlichnik on August 01, 2021, 10:03:50 am »
I always hit the local museums, which are often very good.  Though also often closed for no explicable reason - especially in summer.

The one in Bologna - right off the main square - is fabulous.  One of the best collections of bronze age Italian artifacts anywhere due to the presence nearby of the main Villanovan cemetery.  Bologna is fabulous.  A short walk through the university - also just off the main square is worth it.  U di Bologna - established 1088 AD. 

The Roman museum in Verona is smaller but also good - fabulous walls and remains and view of the city.  But it is a slight walk away and across the river from the center where the famous Romeo and Juliet House is and is the opposite side of the city from the amphitheater.  It is worth it though if you have the time.

One last tip if you haven't travelled far during Covid - take a few of spare masks for the flight or any long train ride.  Being able to switch every few hours helps.


History and Archeology / Large Stone Has Everyone Excited
« Last post by Tacitus on August 01, 2021, 09:39:35 am »
Earlier this month a rare almost 2000-year-old border stone from the reign of the Emperor Claudius was unearthed in the city of Rome. The stone, technically known as a pomerium cippus (boundary stone), marked the sacred limits of the Roman Empire’s capital city and dates to 49 A.D., when Claudius expanded the boundary of the city. This wasn’t a simple property marker, it was part of a series of stones that divided the urban civic world of Rome from the military powers that lay outside it. Even more interestingly it is inscribed with now-lost ancient letters invented in the first century. As the first discovery of its kind in almost a century, the discovery created a media firestorm.

While border stones are well known to scholars, this one is noteworthy for being discovered in situ. It was discovered during excavations for a new sewer system underneath the recently renovated Mausoleum of Augustus in Rome’s historic city center. In antiquity the stones marked the pomerium, the sacred boundary that soldiers were forbidden to cross with weapons. At a press conference, Claudio Parisi Presicce, director of the Archaeological Museums of Rome, said that, “The founding act of the city of Rome starts from the realization of this ‘pomerium.’’ The stones, in other words, are part of what founded and defined Rome. The enlargement of the pomerium in 49 A.D. had some practical effects on the city. The 139 border stones laid by Claudius now incorporated the Avertine hill, which previously lay inside of the city walls but outside of the pomerium, with the result of reconstituting Rome as the seven hilled city that we know today.

Dr. Lisa Marie Mignone, a research affiliate at the Institute for the Study of the Ancient World at NYU, and author of an important study of the border stones published in Historia, told The Daily Beast that “[Claudius’s] goal was not to increase the civic space of Rome, so much as to celebrate his expansion of the Roman Empire itself.” All the stones that marked the new boundary bear the same inscription, which states that Claudius (and his many official titles) “extended and redefined the pomerium because he had increased the boundaries of the Roman people.” The expansion of the boundary matched the expansion of the empire. Claudius, Mignone said, had overseen the annexing of several provinces in the east but his major accomplishment was the capture of Britain. Despite the large celebratory procession (known as Triumph) and arch he was granted in the city as a result, these conquests were hundreds of miles away. Extending the pomerium was “a sacral, topographical, and physical way to showcase at Rome his renewed expansion of the boundaries of the Roman Empire.” It was a way of marking his control over both foreign, domestic, civic, and sacred space.

In addition, Claudius’s expansion of the pomerium cleared up a great deal of confusion. As Mignone told me, first-century Roman historians were unclear about where the boundary actually lay until Claudius redefined it. Ancient commentators like the Seneca and Aulus Gellius struggled to explain why the Avertine hadn’t been included within the sacred city from the start and could only suggest that it was an ill-omened location and that there was no clear explanation.

One of the distinctive features of the inscription is its use of the digamma, a now obsolete letter that—according to the ancient tabloid writer Suetonius—was Claudius’s own invention. It was one of three letters that Claudius introduced into the Roman alphabet: the antisigma Ↄ or ↃϹ, which resembles a backwards C or back-to-back Cs (yes, like the Chanel logo) ; Ⱶ a half H which seems to have been a short vowel sound; and the digamma Ⅎ a turned F that represented a consonantal U and sounded like a “w.” Suetonius tells us that Claudius even wrote a book to explain the theory behind them. The letters quickly fell into disuse but they were a part both of Claudius’ antiquarian interest in the esoteric and a growing first century CE interest in linguistic symbols and their function. In her excellent book Empire of Letters, MIT associate professor Stephanie Frampton explains that Claudius’ introduction of new letters was seen as part of a tradition whereby language and the alphabet developed over time. Tacitus tells us that it was once Claudius “discovered that not even Greek writing was begun and completed at one time” that he decided to design “some additional Latin characters.” Unlike those devised by other peoples, however, they didn’t catch on. Ironically, even the sizeable power of the emperor could not guarantee that people change the alphabet. It’s only on border stones and similar imperially mandated inscriptions that we can see evidence of Claudius’s failed innovation. His display of power is also a testimony to the limits of his authority.

Perhaps the most exciting aspect of the discovery, said Mignone, is the relationship of the stones to the Mausoleum of Augustus. Corpses were polluting objects in antiquity and, thus, burials were supposed to take place outside of the sacred city-limits. “Was Augustus’ massive tomb outside Claudius’ pomerium or within it? Was Augustus’ burial spot (which subsequently also interred Claudius’ ashes as well) exempted from [this] exclusion due to the fact that Augustus was an emperor and thus enjoyed special rites and privileges?” Mignone cautioned us from reading too much into this, however. While many Italian news reports, she said, emphasized this issue, “the ancient evidence indicates that dead bodies were to be buried outside of the inhabited city limits, not the pomerium per se.”

The publication of an official site report will hopefully bring clarity to some of the uncertainties and shed light on the relationship between the expansion of the pomerium and the tomb of Augustus. Given that this is a rare example of a border stone found in the same place it was erected, Mignone hopes that further archaeological analysis will reveal more about the maintenance of the boundary and for whom it was important. Were the stones cleaned and maintained? How significant were they to people outside of religious officials or military generals? Right now, what is clear is the boundary’s utility for emperors themselves. Claudius monopolized the sacred boundary in new ways in order to celebrate and exhibit his accomplishments. This novel use of topographical markers was something that later generations emperors and politicians would also exploit. As any immigrant today knows, boundaries and boundary marking are always displays of power.
Ancient Coin Forum / Re: Going to Northern Italy August 3 - 17
« Last post by Joe Sermarini on August 01, 2021, 07:41:33 am »
Interesting Meepzorp.
Ancient Coin Forum / Re: Going to Northern Italy August 3 - 17
« Last post by Meepzorp on August 01, 2021, 05:24:01 am »
It seems likely that people from the same area tended to settle close to each other here in the US.

Hi Joe,

Generally speaking, that is so true.

More specifically, regarding my maternal grandparents, it was very true. Additionally, in their case, their was also an "exclusivity factor". About 60-100 years ago, everyone who lived within a 2-3 block radius here in America came from the same town (Maddaloni) in Italy. There wasn't one person who lived on those 2-3 blocks who DIDN'T come from Maddaloni. And everyone was related somehow.

When my father first started dating my mother in circa 1961, she introduced him to all of her neighbors, who were also her relatives (cousins, etc.). He lost track of who was who, and he just started waving to everyone, not knowing who they were. He just knew that everyone who lived in that neighborhood was one of my mother's relatives.

For the New Ancient Coin Collector / Re: New Beginnings
« Last post by Greg W on August 01, 2021, 05:12:57 am »
Thank you all for your replies. The encouragement and helpful information is much appreciated. I see I have a long road ahead of learning and discovery which will be fascinating so I better get started!

Thanks again.

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