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Offline Pawel K

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L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« on: May 11, 2022, 02:39:51 pm »
Dear colleagues,

Several year ago i've bought a Lucius Aemilius Paullus denarius from 62 BC. It was cheap, bought in quite reputable auction house and i truly forgot about him till last month, when i tried to sell it in the other auction house. I was completely surprised that it was told that this coin is highly suspicious and probably fake.

What is your opinion?

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #1 on: May 11, 2022, 03:46:19 pm »

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #2 on: May 11, 2022, 03:55:07 pm »
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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #3 on: May 11, 2022, 08:54:18 pm »
Did the 2nd auction house have the coin in hand?  It looks a bit "soapy" but hard to say.  The issue is often off-center with heavier wear on reverse, with poor engraving on reverse, as seen.  It would be odd to cast a fake from such a typically worn original.
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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #4 on: May 12, 2022, 02:21:21 am »
Yes, they have coins in hand. I will attach edges photos later.

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #5 on: May 12, 2022, 03:30:34 am »
Edge photos added.

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #6 on: May 13, 2022, 02:04:21 am »
The crack on the edge looks rather suspicious. Does the element located in the place of its possible continuation look relatively easy to remove?

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #7 on: May 13, 2022, 03:55:37 am »
The crack on the edge looks rather suspicious. Does the element located in the place of its possible continuation look relatively easy to remove?

No, it's a solid piece of metal.

Another portion of photos.

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #8 on: May 14, 2022, 01:29:21 pm »
No, it's a solid piece of metal.
Well, it's hard to find any clear argument that this coin is a fake. I am puzzled by something else - after reviewing about 300 of the 700 coins of this type available on acsearch I found three that seem to be die-linked with yours, but only the obverse (all three reverses seem to be struck with the same die, but not identical with yours). Am I right?


https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=7892768


https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=4830323


https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=6780248

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #9 on: May 15, 2022, 10:20:11 am »

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #10 on: May 16, 2022, 01:50:48 am »
Am I right?


Yes :)

Nevertheless, we are still far from the conclusions. A bit too many surviving coins from this obverse die. Were any of the above three coins used to create a modern fake die, from which yours was later struck?


https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=1357957

Here's yours, sold for 60 EUR in 2012. As I understood, you bought it recently from antother seller.


https://www.acsearch.info/search.html?id=473981

And here's another coin, struck with the same dies as yours and also with a suspiciously fuzzy reverse.

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #11 on: May 16, 2022, 03:21:39 am »
Yes, I bought mine coin from WCN in 2019.

The quantity of similar coins and soapy reverse is truly confusing, but i'm still not sure it's a fake. Maybe because i'm not even average in recognising fakes :(

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Re: L. Aemilius Lepidus Paullus denarius
« Reply #12 on: May 16, 2022, 07:19:52 am »
but i still not sure it's a fake.

Me too, but the amount of suspect details is starting to get significant.

The following hypothesis can be made:
1.the first three coins are probably not counterfeit;
2.one of them was used to create a modern obverse die, which was used to struck the next two (there is probably a coin with the reverse used, I did not try to look for it).

A good proof of this would be to find at least one more coin that exactly matches yours.

Could someone confirm this makes sense?

 

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