Two rare Probus :)

[quadrans]

Two rare Probus

1.,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-84713
Probus_AE-Ant_
IMP-C-PROBVS-PF-AVG_(RIC not exist this type of this avers legend)
FORTVNA-REDUX_
XXI-T_
RIC-V-II-695(legendvar)
Siscia
axis-0h_
22,5mm_
4,37g

2.,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-84712
Probus_AE-Ant_
IMP-PROBVS-INV-AVG_
FELICITAS-AVG-N_
XXI_
RIC-V-II-686var
Siscia
axis-0_
22,5mm_
3.22g

regards
quadrans

[quadrans]

Some body has any openion this 1st coin

regards quadrans

[incerum]

This is an extremely rare issue of Probus, which Pink attributes to the 4th emission of Siscia mint. It seems that RIC 695 is incorrectly described: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, bust type G (radiate helmeted, cuirassed bust l, holding spear and shield), cited from Voetter.
However, Alfoldy lists two examples with obverse legend IMP C PROBVS P F AVG: type 36/1 - Radiate, cuirassed bust right (specimen in Frankfurt) and type 36/2 - Radiate, cuirassed bust left (collection Missong, Vienna), in addition, another specimen of Alf 36/1 is kept in British Museum, coming from  Gloucester hoard . All examples have --//XXIT mintmark. The same obverse is listed by Pink.

Teutoburgium

[quadrans]

thank you incerum
 
quadrans

[SEstiot]

This is an extremely rare issue of Probus, which Pink attributes to the 4th emission of Siscia mint. It seems that RIC 695 is incorrectly described: IMP C M AVR PROBVS P F AVG, bust type G (radiate helmeted, cuirassed bust l, holding spear and shield), cited from Voetter.

Teutoburgium has given a very complete record of this FORTVNA REDVX type from Siscia.
A few things I could add : in fact, RIC 695 does exist and is correctly described: the coin is in the BM and is unique.

However, Alfoldy lists two examples with obverse legend IMP C PROBVS P F AVG: type 36/1 - Radiate, cuirassed bust right (specimen in Frankfurt)...  in addition, another specimen of Alf 36/1 is kept in British Museum, coming from  Gloucester hoard

The BM example is Gloucester 1468. Another specimen in Vienna and one in a German private collection. This is the commonest type : 5 coins including Jozsef (Quadrans)'s coin..

and type 36/2 - Radiate, cuirassed bust left (collection Missong, Vienna)

Exact: I could check and picture the coin in Vienna (titulature IMP C PROBVS P F AVG), which is unique.

So altogether for the FORTVNA REDVX //XXIT type: 3 types, 7 coins and a high range of die linking. So a very rare type.
Congratulations to Jozsef.

S. Estiot

[quadrans]

Thank you Sylviane

 

Joe


What is your opinion the another coin ?,

regards

Joe

[incerum]

Another Quadran's coin type is also very interesting and rare, probably unpublished, RIC686var. In Alföldi, Siscia... is listed in Table XVII, Type 32 (Felicitas with caduceus & cornucopiae), obverse type - Radiate, cuirassed bust right, which is Alföldi 32/5, to whom four specimens are known (Missong, Voetter, Venèra hoard 2605 (2)). According to Pink, this issue belongs to 2nd emission, AD 277.
However, this specimen has - Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, which represents unpublished  variant of Alföldi 32/5 and RIC 686.
Interesting point: while types Alf. 32/1-3 do have officinae mark in the field, types 32/4 and 32/5 belong to the small group of sician antoniniani without officinae marks.

Teutoburgium

[quadrans]

Thank You very much incerum .

That was the our opinion because I not found this .

I need the opinion some of the forum mebers to realized Im really right .

They are realy rare.

rregards
quadrans

[HELEN S]

Thank You very much incerum .

That was the our opinion because I not found this .

I need the opinion some of the forum mebers to realized Im really right .

They are realy rare.

rregards
quadrans

 the second one has an example in the members gallery and although it states it is IMPCPRO  it is an error as the coin has no C

 


  
Probus 17 viewsProbus Antoninians
 23 mm 4.01 gm
 O: IMP C PROBVS INV AV
 Radiate, draped, and cuirassed bust right, seen from behind
 R: FELICITAS AVG N
 Felicitas standing left, holding long caduceus and cornucopia2 comments

 two great coins  well found

[quadrans]

Thank you HELEN S your coment. Who is the member and which gallery you find the other coin.?

please put it the inernet page here to see it

regards
quadrans

[Pekka K]

Maybe Helen S means this:

https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-56627

Pekka K

[quadrans]

Hi Pekka K ,
Yes may be this is the coin, but this coin have a delta in right field on the revers.

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quadrans

[Pekka K]

However it has also the same RIC- number 686.

Pekka K

[quadrans]

Hi Pekka K you right it is....
 

quadrans

[SEstiot]

Two rare Probus
....
2.,
https://www.forumancientcoins.com/gallery/displayimage.php?pos=-84712
Probus_AE-Ant_
IMP-PROBVS-INV-AVG_
FELICITAS-AVG-N_
XXI_
RIC-V-II-686var
Siscia
axis-0_
22,5mm_
3.22g

regards
quadrans

Jozsef,
Thank you for showing this very rare coin reverse FELICITAS AVG(usti) N(ostri), Felicitas holding a long caduceus and a cornucopiae: the draped bust seen from front is unlisted in Alföldi's work on the mint of Siscia under Probus (so ref: Alföldi 32, -), I know it from another coin in a private collection, which shares the same obverse die as yours >> unreferenced coin, two specimens, one obverse die.
The new reverses introduced at that time in the Pannonian mint of Siscia celebrate Probus as "Augustus noster" (Our Emperor) as the emperor is of Pannonian extraction. The marking which omits the officina number is a clue for an issue of common base aureliani minted parallely with an imperial donativum in gold.
Very nice coin...
S. Estiot

[SEstiot]

Another Quadran's coin type is also very interesting and rare, probably unpublished, RIC686var. In Alföldi, Siscia... is listed in Table XVII, Type 32 (Felicitas with caduceus & cornucopiae), obverse type - Radiate, cuirassed bust right, which is Alföldi 32/5, to whom four specimens are known (Missong, Voetter, Venèra hoard 2605 (2)). According to Pink, this issue belongs to 2nd emission, AD 277.
However, this specimen has - Radiate, draped and cuirassed bust right, which represents unpublished  variant of Alföldi 32/5 and RIC 686.
Interesting point: while types Alf. 32/1-3 do have officinae mark in the field, types 32/4 and 32/5 belong to the small group of sician antoniniani without officinae marks.

Teutoburgium

Sorry, I was unable to find this other Quadrans's coin (is it possible to give the direct link to it?), but the link given by Teutoburgium to Koffy's gallery on FAC (I attach it again here below) doesn't show a coin corresponding to the reference he gives : Alföldi 32, 5.

( Alföldi 32,5 : D/ IMP PROBVS INV AVG cuirassed bust r. ; R/ FELICITAS AVG N, Felicitas holding a long caduceus and a cornucopiae, mark -/-//XXI )

Koffy's coin (below) shown by Teutoburgium, corresponds to Alföldi 32,2 : D/ IMP PROBVS INV AVG draped bust r. seen from behind ; R/ FELICITAS AVG N, Felicitas holding a long caduceus and a cornucopiae, mark -/ //XXI. Koffy's coin is beautiful but relatively common : I know 10 specimens.
All these coins from Siscia display many variants in titulatures, busts, types (this is the case for Felicitas which holds different attributes), and marks...
S. Estiot

[Teutoburgium]

Koffy's coin shown by Pekka,  is CNG auction234 Jun 9 2010 Lot 396
Another specimen of FELICITAS AVG N type  without mintmark in my photofiles is Gorny auction 147, 2006, lot 2298 :
Gorny & Mosch Giessener Münzhandlung Auction 147, 7 March 2006, Lot 2298
IMP PROBVS INV AVG
Panzerbüste mit Strahlenkrone n. r.
FELIC-ITAS AVG N --//XXI
Felicitas mit Caduceus u. Füllhorn.
RIC 685; Aufbau S. 50 (2. Emission), 3,83 g,  277 AD
Alföldi 32/5 (Radiate, cuirassed bust right)

Teutoburgium

[quadrans]

Thank you Sylvian e and Teutoburgium tothe nice comment..

regards

 Joe